Some ideas for the next patch for the V2 follow list
Currently, it only shows the last read and the last update. Some stories will update multiple chapters at a time, so it only shows the last read and newest chapter, but no option to go directly to the chapter you need to get to. See The Outer Sphere to see what I mean in the attached pic.
Also, some authors do not use "Chapter ##" as their way of numbering chapters. For example, Homicidal Aliens and Blue Core in the pic use a different way. So how am I supposed to know if that is the next chapter I need to read or one that is 15 chapters down the line?
Click on your last read chapter, then next chapter. That simple. You had to do it like this in v1 anyway but in v1 you needed to click into the book and stuff.
Obviously. You've completely missed the point I was making. If an author updates their story with more than 1 chapter at a time, you get the last chapter you read and the latest chapter in the story, NOT the one you are going to be reading next. If you look at the attachment, The Outer Sphere shows this quite clearly.
I’m clearly completely confused with what you want then, if you are looking to read the next unread chapter in a book what I put works fine. And the QOL change that was made where it only lists 2 chapters and not a huge list far out-ways the 1 extra click required. If you liked how it was originally you could use the old list setting (at the top of your follow list)
I've already explained it twice, but I guess I can try to explain it for a third time. I'll break it down so you can follow along.
1: Open the attachment
2: Look at the chapters from The Outer Sphere
3: See how I underlined the chapters in red? Chapter 224 is the last read, as in that has already be read by me. Chapter 226 is a chapter I have not read yet.
4: This is where this particular version is not as helpful as the "grouping" feature. In this particular version, you have to do extra clicks to get to the correct chapters. Obviously, we could always click on the story name and click through the chapters to arrive at the one we need to read. Obviously.
But, I know I've already wasn't paying attention at least twice before and clicked on the chapter under "Last Update". I am 100% sure I have not been the only one. This took me to a chapter that is out of order with the chapters I've read. This also changes the "Last Read" chapter on the Follow List to the wrong one. If I hadn't commented, it would have been more difficult that it should have been to get to the correct chapter. Some authors release multiple chapters throughout the day, which can make going by time difficult if it has been a couple hours.
5: Look at the chapters heading for Homicidal Aliens.
6: See how there is no chapter number? This version makes it difficult to know if that is truly the next chapter for stories that don't have numerical ordering. In this particular case, the author released two chapters, but we would never know it based on the Follow List. This requires the usage of going to the story page for each story that doesn't follow the "Chapter 1, Chapter 2" naming sense. Stories like Blue Core, which can have multiple chapters for the same day in the story, also have the same issue with this version of the Follow List.
So what you are saying here is that it’s a missclick problem? If that is your main problem with it i find this:
a better way to protect against that problem while also retaining the new follow list.
if it’s just the extra click that you are annoyed at my point is that you have always had to make 3 clicks to reliably get the next chapter without fear of messing up your bookmark progress. Now that’s down to 2.
I've explained it three different times. You have got to be trolling.
If not... then I don't know how else to explain it to you. I don't know why you are hellbent on focusing on one specific thing I didn't even mention in the first place.
I have very much have thought the same, there are quite a lot of fictions that doesn't follow a standard numbering schemes.
So basically a good solution would be also showing the link for the next chapter.
This is actually tricky to do, surprisingly so... :/
Another possibility could be to number all the chapters in the order they are in, so it reads something like:
(226) Chapter name
(224) Chapter name
if you implement this could you make it optional in settings? (Don’t want to make extra work for you kana but the muscle memory is real).
Along the lines of what Thorbjorn said but just have it as a hidden numeric.
Assign released chapters with numbers based off where they are in the list on the fictions page. Assuming the current chapter's number is [N], have the additional option of 'Next Chapter' show [N+1] which would be the next available option.
You'll end up having to deal with redundancies when the next chapter is the latest chapter like one of the previous suggestions you completed had said but I'm sure you can do a comparison between either the links or the numbers and eliminate 'Latest Chapter' or 'Next Chapter' from showing when you need to.
(You could connect the number list directly to however it works on fiction pages but I haven't a clue how that works and I also don't know whether figuring out the programming of moving chapter placement around within the fiction would become annoying.)
I get where both of you are coming from - this has bitten me too (in He Who Fights With Monsters, where he usually skips time between chapters I didn't even really notice I'd skipped a chapter until the end note).
ZekromZZ is saying that instead of your reading process being opening up the Last Update Chapter (and trying to find where you're up to from there) you open up the Last /Read/ Chapter and then click Next Chapter. This then becomes your reading pattern, and you never click on the Last Update Chapter link (because Last Update isn't necessarily the next one you want to read, and as you say clicking it /will/ lose which chapter you're up to).
It would be nice to have a third link for Read Next Chapter to save one page load (of the last read chapter), which is what this suggestion is asking for.
I have to say, though, that I find that really important. I tried v2 for the last couple of weeks; the newest chapter link gets me where I want 90% of the time, and when it doesn't, there's a good chance I catch it by chapter title before I start to read, but the instances where I read half a chapter until I notice that I'm missing are truely annoying. I suppose I'll switch back to the old version for the time being.
Indeed. While I like the V2 follow list, "no direct link to next unread chapter" and "are there any additional chapters between the latest and my last read one?" are the two flaws that reduce the usability a fair bit.
Yeah, simple, but also makes the V2 system pointless if half the space it uses is unreliable at best and useless at worst. I've just checked my follows and The Space Legacy shows last read as Book 1 Chapter 24 with the latest as Book 1 Epilogue. Turns out Book1 Chapter 25 was released immediately before Book 1 Epilogue. This makes the latest chapter link useless for_every_ fiction - if the author doesn't number their chapters, or posts an announcement, or releases a side chapter, etc., etc.
I've got so sick of accidentally skipping chapters and having to purposefully force myself to go through needless extra clicks that I came here with screenshots to suggest this very idea. I for one detest spoilers, and accidentally skipping chapters is a massive spoiler.
If we have to force a habit of ignore the latest chapter link _just in case_ it is wrong as you suggest, because of how confusing and frustrating it is when that happens, then what is the point of the V2 system existing in its current form? Serious question, please answer.
Killashard's suggestion is completely awesome and there is no reason to argue against it except for trolling. Or should nothing ever be improved and we should all just learn to ignore and workaround issues, rather than addressing them? Serious question, please answer.
I wrote a userscript to solve this issue:
It adds a 'Read Next Chapter' link to the top of entries in the Follow List V2 list that have a 'Last Read Chapter' entry.
Clicking the link loads up your last read chapter to get the link for the next chapter and then takes you to the next chapter. In one click.
Of course this should be native. This is to fix it for you until it is.
(Google Tampermonkey for how to use userscripts in your browser).
That is seriously helpful, thank you! My only feedback is that it matches "http*://*royalroad.com/my/follows?listType=v2*" but after changing your list type it is preserved even without the query string value, so going to https://www.royalroad.com/my/follows will still be in V2 layout if that was what you last selected. If you change to Grouping that same link will still show the Grouping layout, etc.
I would suggest matching without the listType query string and then checking if V2 is the active layout, e.g.
document.querySelectorAll("div.portlet-title div.actions a.btn.btn-circle.blue:not(.btn-outline)").innerText=="V2"
It's only triggering on list entries with 'Last Read Chapter:', so simply expanding the include to always run on /my/follows works no matter the layout too :)
Thanks for the catch.
How about adding in the number of pages in a book next to Last Update?
And next to the last chapter read put number of pages read next to it as well?