Re: What is the meaning of life?

#62
I’m gonna use Baba is You to help me discuss this point. So ya’ll better go look how weird that game is.
Baba is You, but Baba can be many things. There can be many Babas, or there can be no Babas, but You will still exist even after you have lost all physical agency. You can also be other things, Wall is You, Door is You, Several Things is You at the same time. You is not a thing, yet persists after all else vanishes, even if memory and mind fades You still persist in ineffable unknowable form.
You is Everything. Everything is You, because what You are is arbitrary and holds no meaning. Fire is You. Dust is You. You are all that exists and everything is You. I think therefore I am. Other people are just as much You as Baba is.
The universe is infinite (probably) and Baba is finite, so everything is an infinitesimal of dust within Everything. Infinitesimal things are all equally small, and so they are equal. Jupiter is You. Atom is You.
Nothing matters specifically, but all things being equal, everything matters absolutely. It doesn’t matter what matters, because anything will matter, no matter how meaningless.
Meaning is meaningless, and the meaninglessness of Everything is the most meaningful thing.
Nothing matters, and everything does.
The Meaning behind Life, the Universe, and Everything, is beauty.
There is beauty in everything. Pain, love, rage, passion, enlightenment, simplicity, order, chaos, violence, stillness, desolation, void, plentitude, harmony, laughter, tragedy. It is all a part of a beautiful masterpiece that is Eternity. Time holds no meaning, and everything that ever was, still is, and everything that will be, has already occurred. The passage of time is an illusion of higher dimensions, and all of Eternity interpermeates all of Existence through every mote of dust and causality.
The purpose of existence, even without life, is that of beauty. That what exists is loved. Then we look upon the world and see it is Good through all that it is in darkness and in light.
The meaning of life is Love. I love the universe, and it’s silent symphony. Everything is One thing in infinite facets. Nothing can be absolute is a paradox because it contradicts itself by grasping at being an absolute rule. There can only be one Absolute thing. The infinite infinite. There are infinities above infinities in math itself. If there is an Absolute it is infinitely infinitely infinitely infinite ad infinitum. There is always something greater, no matter how high you climb or how far you see. There can only be One Absolute, whatever that might be.
But for now, Baba is You.

Re: What is the meaning of life?

#63
Endless Paving Wrote: I’m gonna use Baba is You to help me discuss this point. So ya’ll better go look how weird that game is.
Baba is You, but Baba can be many things. There can be many Babas, or there can be no Babas, but You will still exist even after you have lost all physical agency. You can also be other things, Wall is You, Door is You, Several Things is You at the same time. You is not a thing, yet persists after all else vanishes, even if memory and mind fades You still persist in ineffable unknowable form.
You is Everything. Everything is You, because what You are is arbitrary and holds no meaning. Fire is You. Dust is You. You are all that exists and everything is You. I think therefore I am. Other people are just as much You as Baba is.
The universe is infinite (probably) and Baba is finite, so everything is an infinitesimal of dust within Everything. Infinitesimal things are all equally small, and so they are equal. Jupiter is You. Atom is You.
Nothing matters specifically, but all things being equal, everything matters absolutely. It doesn’t matter what matters, because anything will matter, no matter how meaningless.
Meaning is meaningless, and the meaninglessness of Everything is the most meaningful thing.
Nothing matters, and everything does.
The Meaning behind Life, the Universe, and Everything, is beauty.
There is beauty in everything. Pain, love, rage, passion, enlightenment, simplicity, order, chaos, violence, stillness, desolation, void, plentitude, harmony, laughter, tragedy. It is all a part of a beautiful masterpiece that is Eternity. Time holds no meaning, and everything that ever was, still is, and everything that will be, has already occurred. The passage of time is an illusion of higher dimensions, and all of Eternity interpermeates all of Existence through every mote of dust and causality.
The purpose of existence, even without life, is that of beauty. That what exists is loved. Then we look upon the world and see it is Good through all that it is in darkness and in light.
The meaning of life is Love. I love the universe, and it’s silent symphony. Everything is One thing in infinite facets. Nothing can be absolute is a paradox because it contradicts itself by grasping at being an absolute rule. There can only be one Absolute thing. The infinite infinite. There are infinities above infinities in math itself. If there is an Absolute it is infinitely infinitely infinitely infinite ad infinitum. There is always something greater, no matter how high you climb or how far you see. There can only be One Absolute, whatever that might be.
But for now, Baba is You.


Yours might be my favourite out of all answers. It transitions between many beliefs and ends on the ultimate Baba is You. I think it can be told just as well by saying "A passing gale moves the leaves of a tree". Except your answer explains it much better for someone new to the concept(how can one be?).

However, I do have some things to comment on. "There can only be One Absolute" is an absolute by itself, making it two and not one absolutes. It is the same as saying "Everything is One". You might have heard of the saying "Three is Everything", it applies here too; If everything is one then everything plus one is two and two plus everything is three, three is everything. You have reached the point of understanding that Baba is You, but can still not grasp that You is Baba.

I want to end my comment on a story that is relevant:

Master Nansen had just entered the lecture hall. when Joshu asked, "Bright? Dark?" Nansen went straight back to his room. Joshu then left the lecture hall and said, "The old master, faced with this one question of mine, could not bring forth a single word for an answer." The head monk said, "You should not say that the Master was lacking in words. It is, of course, you who did not understand." At that Joshu hit the head monk and said, "It is in fact Nansen who should have a taste of this stick." From the book Radical Zen by Yoel Hoffman.

Re: What is the meaning of life?

#64
for us humans or any animal really the meaning of life is to produce offspring to start the new generation then die. Having sentience to wonder about it isnt really something that hinders that so Nature gave it to us in a quirk. The Cosmos try to regulate everything to form a proper balance and everything has its place or certain roles it has to play for the cogs to work properly.

So in a greater understanding the meaning of life is probably Balance in all things. prob. need to think around a few corners to make sense of it but thats my conclusion

Re: What is the meaning of life?

#65
I'll have to get back to you once someone figures out how a blob of self-perpetuating chemicals, increasing in complexity through a combination of time and entropy, existing on a small little ball of rock, air and water in the middle of a rather boring part of a plain galaxy in an observable universe 46B light years across and 13.8B years old, are somehow all here despite none of us having actually chosen to exist, nor had any real input in the billions of years of progress up to this point.

Yet here we are, in this thread with cat pics open in another tab.

Maybe the meaning of life is to have an existential crisis about how you can feel the thoughts of another human being on the other side of the world, from the past, merely by looking at a few squiggly lines drawn by stimulating some liquid held in a little box with thousands of other such boxes, all cramped in tightly, while being lightly tickled with very precise electrical currents based upon digital information stored in precisely machined non-organic components in such a way that you can recreate what that other human being was thinking in that exact moment, for eternity, so long as you understand enough about what those squiggles mean so that even after our own sun has long since died, the people on that planet being no more than specs of dirt and dust, the thoughts that existed right then and there can still be shared with anyone that wants to read it.

All because some slime in an ocean somewhere a few billion years ago had the audacity to not die.

The meaning of life probably is to look at cat pics, though.

Re: What is the meaning of life?

#68
tl;dr - You can ask the question of "What is the meaning of life?" but no matter where you run in Buddha's palm, you will eventually run into the hard walls of reality. There, you will choose meaning for yourself. There is no meaning of life itself comprehensible to the human system, but there is a meaning you will choose over the course of your life.

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and now, the proof:

The question is always referring to more data than any answer possibly could.

Say: 2+2 = ?

Could also be stated: what is two? why two? two of what? what is plus? why are you putting plus there? why another two? what is this two of anyways? what is equals? why have equals here? what is the logic inherent in all these facts that is being conveyed? and why ask all these questions?

So when you ask A N Y question what you are really saying is "I have a lot of data, this sucks, now I can't live well. Show me a small amount of data that satisfies my desire, and I'll decide as an individual person whether that looks like an answer or not. If not, I'll keep looking for more data and showing myself small amounts of data until I stop caring about understanding the world."

This is why math/science/observation changed the world of humanity. We became more of a "How do you know?" species over time instead of "Believe my words to connect with others and be happy or you die/get exiled/rejected and suffer bad things." How do you know? reveals the reality-as-is of the human condition: the only difference between truth and falsity is accuracy and precision. How close did you get to the actual reality humans see? Can you build a plane that flies off of these facts, and will it consistently fly? 

All stories are inherently false because every human is in a constant prediction state. We have a 'meaning-making' part of our mind that is going full blast generating new explanations of the world 24/7 in every single human mind! What's worse is that the language keeps changing for any story. With math you have "2" is "2" but with language you have "rabbit" which refers to everything from a real rabbit to bunny girl ears.

Rabbithole incoming: To give you an example of how deep this goes:

https://barbaraoakley.com/book-recommendations/recommendations-archive/
Reader Come Home: The Reading Brain in a Digital World

By Maryanne Wolf

As Wolf notes: “whenever we name even a single letter, we are activating entire networks of specific neuronal groups in the visual cortex, which correspond to entire networks of equally specific language-based cell groups, which correspond to networks of specific articulatory-motor cell groups—all with millisecond precision. 

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... and now, my current answer to "What is the meaning of life?" Here are my assumptions:

— All humans create meaning constantly. 
— All meaning/significance/value is a result of a human's thinking process.
— There is no C O N S I S T E N T set goal or highest value for any one human.
— However, scientific research suggests that humans have certain patterns that repeat in the majority of them, 90% of people have kids, they value kids. People eat, etc.

Ergo,

Any attempt at getting towards the answer of meaning for humans will inevitably point towards children/brain children. This is why you write/read, to experience in your imagination someone else challenging life, surviving, and eventually reproducing. Notice how most stories end when people have kids, get married, or resolve themselves to stable goal?

This kills drama. Children kill drama. Once you have a highest goal i.e. "God Value" like Mark Manson says, you no longer can choose to sit around a philosophize about "What is the meaning of life?" because all of your resources and time are now dedicated to a single concrete effort.

So this usually turns into "I need to work to eat," or "I need to work to feed my kids," or "I need to read/play games/watch porn to feel like I'm surviving."

You can ask the question of "What is the meaning of life?" but no matter where you run in Buddha's palm, you will eventually run into the hard walls of reality. There, you will choose meaning for yourself. There is no meaning of life itself comprehensible to the human system, but there is a meaning you will choose over the course of your life.

Re: What is the meaning of life?

#69
The actual answer: You perform a horizontal jog with a member of the opposite sex and hope your spawn manage to do the same thing in a few dozen years.

The answer that makes us feel nice: To fill the cosmically tiny stream of consciousness with experiences that make our time unique and make an impact on the others.

The hedonist answer: We get sixty-ish years of existence after which we return to the nothingness from which we came, why spend your time not enjoying every pleasure possible.

The Aztec answer: you go to hell after death no matter what, why wait?!


The actual actual answer: Life is a self-perpetuating chemical/physical reaction, where through basic laws of physics, fleshy robots can exist - and because of how life works (the passage of genes) those who accept the meaninglessness of life don't tend to live long and have kids - thus their genes go extinct, the guys who think and communicate and have evolved to seek solutions and answers do have kids and pass on genes, they make weapons and wear furs, they store food and invent language, so that's why we are all sad people who can't stop asking questions without an answer.
As a matter of fact, once you look at the whole thing from afar, your realise the question is wrong, there is no point - we are designed to focus on that question because we are engineered to find answers, but, no matter how much you ask "How green is the number 125.2 in purple squares," you can't get the answer.
Or, what value is X when x+1 = 2 and x+2 = 2 simultaniously.
Sure. we can reason and say that "Well, if we're talking about RGB scales, 125.2 is pretty green." but that's not the question we asked, it's an answer developed by someone trying to answer an impossible question, or rather, an incorrect question. 

Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

Re: What is the meaning of life?

#70
Someone probably mentioned this already, but the meaning of life is to give your life a meaning. That is the only way a satisfactory answer can be reached, for me at least. Because leaving it up to fate, or destiny, or in other people’s hands, would often lead to answers unsatisfactory or even downright contradictory to you. That’s why the only meaning that should matter is one you give to your self.

Re: What is the meaning of life?

#73
The meaning of life is what you choose to make of it. Want a successful career, have a family, leave a legacy, get others to believe as you do, make lots of money, believe it's meaningless, or whatever else you may choose to do defines what life means to you. There is no right or wrong answer because it's up to the individual. 42 is a good an answer as any (and far more humorous).