What is mature?

#1
Our rules regarding the adding of warning tags for content that is considered mature have been changed. Please start tagging your novel appropriately in accordance with our new categories.  

Notice: Add the appropriate tag to your fiction, so that people who don’t feel comfortable reading such material can avoid it. However, even with the warning, please make sure your novel doesn’t centralize around this type of content but simply contains them (as a way of life).

To set these categories: Go to your [Fictions](under your avatar) > [Dashboard] > [Edit].

The available options are:

Profanity: Excessive or obscene amounts of swearing and cursing.
Sexual content: Explicit sexual content, descriptive sex scene/s.
Gore: Descriptive violence or gore, with vivid details of mutilated bodies or similar potentially disturbing content.
Traumatizing: Questionable Moral Values that may twist one’s perception of the world or cause a mental trauma for those who are underage or morally unstable.)

By having any of these options tagged on your novel, any reader can exclude [mature] hence your story entirely from their search.

Notice:
No disturbing sexual content whatsoever. (written scenes or images that include a description of pedophilia, bestiality, sexual intercourse between minors or anyone under 18, etc)
And no mature images.

RE: What is mature?

#2
This is interesting and helpful however I have to ask about swearing in different ways, such as replacing the words, but keeping the meaning.

IE: I use 'stone' to replace 'f***' quite a lot in my fic (soon to be posted I hope) so I was curious about how that would fit into 'strong language.'

RE: What is mature?

#8
Tags are supposed to be spoilers so the reader can decide if the novel may or may not have the content that is desired. For example I may be looking for novels that are only mature+harem, if they aren't tagged as such from the start I will probably ignore it until the tag pops up or maybe never. I'm 100% sure that if you restrict the use of tags until the novel itself has the relevant information most new novels will suffer. =/

RE: What is mature?

#9
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something, but I find it a little odd that you'd ask authors to not tag or label mature content until after it is added.

In my opinion, It is far better to label something as mature for planned content and never get around to writing it than to not label the work as mature and hit readers with a vivid sex scene before labeling it after the fact. I rarely, if ever, see the fiction's main page and genre tags after I choose to follow something. (The reading list page takes people directly to the release after all.) Sure, it might be sad if I'm looking for 18+ content and don't get it, but isn't it wrong to present adult content without advance warning?

RE: What is mature?

#10
To clarify, categories are not spoilers, they are available in order to tell the readers what they will expect by reading. If authors want to spoiler the readers and tell them about their plans.. the description can be used for such.

@Bisaster
Look at these situations:
Many authors end up dropping their stories before ever talking about the things they tagged their story as.
Some people plan ahead that each chapter they will write about a different category and then they tag their story from the first chapter with everything.
A lot of people complaining that some authors tagged their story "harem" and never actually wrote about a harem..

You for example search for Mature+Harem, wouldn't it be sad if you followed a story waiting for "the spoiler" to happen, and it never happened?
And take me for the opposite situation:
I don't read anything that is tagged mature. Some stories are perfectly fine and completly appropriate. But, because the author thinks that maybe at one point they could write something mature [and tag it as such] they eliminate me as a reader.

Argue as much as you want.. but categories are not spoilers. They are there to tell you what type of story it is. Not what type of story it will be.

RE: What is mature?

#11
thank you!!!

Finally I can find a story and not feel let down or disappointed in being lied to.

these tags are fundamental to finding the right kind of story for each person and to avoid stupid reviews like "0.5 stars, I don't like 'whatever tag'" just because they didn't see it or it has yet to happen as disclosed.

as for the 'rape' is it fine to mention it in passing? and same for the pedophilia bit? I have notes jotted down for a story but the initial premise relies on traumatic scarring of the MC's past and I would need to know how much I would have to alter before attempting to post it here.

RE: What is mature?

#14
While I do feel the more genre specific tags can be added as needed, I disagree on only using the mature tag when mature content finally pops up in a story. If a work is child friendly and then suddenly a chapter comes out with excessive violence or detailed sex that would be a very terrible thing. I would rather the author let readers know if the story will be headed in a gorey direction at some point, than to suddenly be assaulted by unexpected and graphic depictions. Even if it never quite reaches the mature level the author thought, for mature content it's better safe than sorry. Even worse would be a scenario in which a rape victim is reading a story not marked mature, only to have in a later chapter the story suddenly switch to mature and having a rape scene, causing the reader undue stress they could have avoided had they been warned in the first place.

Otherwise I feel you'd need to add some form of notification that a mature tag has been before the reader can click through to read the new chapter of a novel on their reading list.

Although I know you can add a warning in the description, I still feel you need the "red flag" of a mature tag clearly attached should the story be intended to be so.

RE: What is mature?

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1/17/2016 4:51:25 PMSolistia Wrote: [ -> ]While I do feel the more genre specific tags can be added as needed, I disagree on only using the mature tag when mature content finally pops up in a story. If a work is child friendly and then suddenly a chapter comes out with excessive violence or detailed sex that would be a very terrible thing. I would rather the author let readers know if the story will be headed in a gorey direction at some point, than to suddenly be assaulted by unexpected and graphic depictions. Even if it never quite reaches the mature level the author thought, for mature content it's better safe than sorry. Even worse would be a scenario in which a rape victim is reading a story not marked mature, only to have in a later chapter the story suddenly switch to mature and having a rape scene, causing the reader undue stress they could have avoided had they been warned in the first place.

Otherwise I feel you'd need to add some form of notification that a mature tag has been before the reader can click through to read the new chapter of a novel on their reading list.

Although I know you can add a warning in the description, I still feel you need the "red flag" of a mature tag clearly attached should the story be intended to be so.


If the author is fully intent on such a usage of mature content, then a warning in the description from the beginning would certainly be warranted. But most writers on this site just "go with the flow" and make things up along the way, them adding the tag ahead of any mature content and never using it is the reason everyone is having an issue with this topic now.

If a person wants to read a story they are expected to read the description first, "but I don't read them" is not an excuse later when it shows up, they were given forewarning regardless of the tag being there yet.

Personally, if a story isn't mature from the beginning, then it can do just fine going the whole way without it. That said there are times where mature scenes need to occur out of nowhere, but it isn't integral to the story, and then there is a perfectly working forum that allows for font-styling and spoiler boxes. They can let the readers know with large colorful, bold text at the top of their chapter post "Warning! Mature content below: type. Read at your discretion."

besides, even if a good guideline is put together in the forums for authors to read, there are still those who won't bother looking for it before writing something. I'm sure everyone recognizes when a new author pops up saying "sorry, but I don't know how to use tables" despite there being an easily found thread with a guide for it.

The tag is a matter of presence, if mature content IS going to be prevalent, then it needs the tag, by this we likely mean more than the occasional bad scene. Everything that shows up just now and then shouldn't be tagged just for appearing, that is what is happening.

RE: What is mature?

#16
1/17/2016 4:51:25 PMSolistia Wrote: [ -> ]While I do feel the more genre specific tags can be added as needed, I disagree on only using the mature tag when mature content finally pops up in a story. If a work is child friendly and then suddenly a chapter comes out with excessive violence or detailed sex that would be a very terrible thing. I would rather the author let readers know if the story will be headed in a gorey direction at some point, than to suddenly be assaulted by unexpected and graphic depictions. Even if it never quite reaches the mature level the author thought, for mature content it's better safe than sorry. Even worse would be a scenario in which a rape victim is reading a story not marked mature, only to have in a later chapter the story suddenly switch to mature and having a rape scene, causing the reader undue stress they could have avoided had they been warned in the first place.

Otherwise I feel you'd need to add some form of notification that a mature tag has been before the reader can click through to read the new chapter of a novel on their reading list.

Although I know you can add a warning in the description, I still feel you need the "red flag" of a mature tag clearly attached should the story be intended to be so.


I think mature isn't belong to tag.
take Pixiv for example, when we submit a drawing, we asked if its contains sexually explicit, gore, violence, etc
If it contains one or more in the list, its classified as mature

so I think its belong to rating, not tag.

RE: What is mature?

#17
The issue with the 'mature' tag is that 'mature' is not a genre like 'fantasy' or 'romance'. Rather, it is a designation of the intended audience and something which should be presented upfront, erring on the side of caution. An author can have two characters hook up in an sci-fi adventure and it could be reasonable to leave out the romance tag, as the marriage of two characters does not change the genre. In contrast, if an author includes even a single pornographic scene, that scene results in a dramatic shift of suitable audience.

I find labeling for mature content only after it has been presented to audiences to be disingenuous, and a policy which requires this to be quite baffling. Tagging things after the fact is completely appropriate for 'harem' or 'school life', but things such as age ratings should really be made explicit in advance.

RE: What is mature?

#18
Honestly sounds like a terrrrrible system. I want to create fictions that follows people's lives. I therefore can only add a mature tag after 10 or 20 chapters and my little MC has grown up. lol. This sounds like an arbitrary rule placed for no reason.

I gotta just remember this random rule a month down the line or even further, and then update my tags as they come in? Haha.

What if I work on multiple works at once, and therefore don't keep everything that has happened previously in my stories in my mind? Then it becomes very difficult to update them both as tags "show up."

TLDR: A young kid is going to read a sex scene, a gore scene, etc, because an author forgets to add in mature tag. Or because they don't check the tags each time they go to a new chapter.

P.S. This rule makes it discouraging for new writers to plan out their stories, or encourages them to start writing weirdly to try and get certain tags to fit into their stories first chapters.

RE: What is mature?

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1/17/2016 7:09:27 PMResonantIce Wrote: [ -> ]The issue with the 'mature' tag is that 'mature' is not a genre like 'fantasy' or 'romance'. Rather, it is a designation of the intended audience and something which should be presented upfront, erring on the side of caution. An author can have two characters hook up in an sci-fi adventure and it could be reasonable to leave out the romance tag, as the marriage of two characters does not change the genre. In contrast, if an author includes even a single pornographic scene, that scene results in a dramatic shift of suitable audience.


^This. This exactly. Mature is already an extreme broad term, covering even the hint of sexual content, erotica, and then all the way to pornographic content.

For example, if a story contains Incubi and/or Succubae (like mine does), sexual content of some kind is going to happen. They're sex demons, ffs! Not having sexual content in some shape or form kind of goes against what Incubi and Succubae are at a base level - but its something readers may not even consider in a story-driven work (opposed to a stroke-story).

So my question is, is there some way to change the way the mature tag itself works? Or add an age filter for author's to set on their story? Some people just don't want to see that kind of content at all, and its only courteous to give people fair warning.

I get the idea behind this new rule with tagging but there's definitely room for improvement and clarity. I've already been thinking that we need more tags, and this rule only makes me think of even more new ones. lol

1/17/2016 11:30:04 PMedge363 Wrote: [ -> ]TLDR: A young kid is going to read a sex scene, a gore scene, etc, because an author forgets to add in mature tag. Or because they don't check the tags each time they go to a new chapter.


This also. A young kid stumbling across content that's inappropriate for their age should be a big concern. I've seen over-protective mothers try to sue gaming guilds before because their precious (and oh-so-innocent) 16yr old son heard someone drop the F-Bomb over VOIP, or because the adults were discussing porn.

I can understand not tagging certain things until it comes up in the story. Mature however is an entirely different matter. It's too generic, for one thing.

1/17/2016 11:30:04 PMedge363 Wrote: [ -> ]P.S. This rule makes it discouraging for new writers to plan out their stories, or encourages them to start writing weirdly to try and get certain tags to fit into their stories first chapters.


I both agree and disagree with this point. I do get what the admins are saying; a lot of authors do drop their stories before certain tagged content even makes it into their writing. If someone wants to read a romance novel and nothing romance happens in 20+ chapters (and then they find out the story is dead) that's definitely a problem.

There needs to be some balance here, and/or certain tags need to be expanded upon/re-worked in order for this to work as intended.
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