Hi everyone, so here is the question:

What melee weapon could we create to kill a sun?

As per research, I made replacing the core of the sun with carbon would do the trick.

So I did some research on metals, and here is what I found:

chromium, --> to weak
vanadium, --> processing it is to much "lab-work"
molybdenum --> can be mined, so not the worst option
and tungsten --> couldn't get info about it besides gaming.

Another option would be iron-nickel, but it is too common to be a wow-factor weapon.

My issue with the minerals mentioned above is they are sorta common, and this weapon would be like a 'legendary' that even dragons are scared of.

Note: So one character is a sun, and the other is a black hole. They both control time, so these options are out of the table.

Note 2: It is a steampunk era. We are at the very beginning of industrialisation



Any suggestions?

Well, Star Trek has a material called Trilithium that could 'stop all fusion within a star', if that's any help.

CrowsCrowCrow Wrote: Well, Star Trek has a material called Trilithium that could 'stop all fusion within a star', if that's any help.

Going to research, wasn't thinking using fiction but might be an idea

After research:

Under certain rare circumstances, dilithium deposits could form in such a way that the crystals grew into perfectly aligned lattices.

The idea is super interesting because would come from crystals. And since we use the idea of fiction, could play with the lore of lirium from DA.

None? The surface temperature of our sun is higher than the melting point of any pure substance or alloy.

Also the sun is like a million times bigger than the earth. Which makes melee combat with it a tad bit unpractical.

Paradoxcloud Wrote: None? The surface temperature of our sun is higher than the melting point of any pure substance or alloy.

Also the sun is like a million times bigger than the earth. Which makes melee combat with it a tad bit unpractical.

In my story the sun is a short person. Her power works as the sun. It is still a fiction story.

Since it's realistically impossible to do, then you can use pretty much what ever you want and write a semi-decent logic behind it and make it work in-universe. 

Smuts Wrote: Since it's realistically impossible to do, you can use whatever you want and write a semi-decent logic behind it and make it work in-universe.

I read possible ways to kill a sun and wanted to translate them into my world. I was just wondering about the materials. If you replace the sun core for carbon it dies. Which is an interesting idea 

But wanted to check with the forum to see if any had an idea I didn't thought about.

larareispoetry Wrote:

Smuts Wrote: Since it's realistically impossible to do, you can use whatever you want and write a semi-decent logic behind it and make it work in-universe.

I read possible ways to kill a sun and wanted to translate them into my world. I was just wondering about the materials. If you replace the sun core for carbon it dies. Which is an interesting idea 

But wanted to check with the forum to see if any had an idea I didn't thought about.

Well, considering that everything we know about the Sun is still a bit theoretical, I would take those ideas with heaps of salt. 

In my opinion, you might be overthinking it, and I would think that the reader will just agree with anything that sounds kind of plausible within your story if you write it well enough. For example, if you write "The sword was made from Unobtanium, only found in the depths of the Old World, forged by ancient sorcerers," I'd go, yeah, I'm down with that. I would just make it sound cool and complex and difficult to pull off. 

Smuts Wrote:

larareispoetry Wrote:

Smuts Wrote: Since it's realistically impossible to do, you can use whatever you want and write a semi-decent logic behind it and make it work in-universe.

I read possible ways to kill a sun and wanted to translate them into my world. I was just wondering about the materials. If you replace the sun core for carbon it dies. Which is an interesting idea 

But wanted to check with the forum to see if any had an idea I didn't thought about.

Well, considering that everything we know about the Sun is still a bit theoretical, I would take those ideas with heaps of salt. 

In my opinion, you might be overthinking it, and I would think that the reader will just agree with anything that sounds kind of plausible within your story if you write it well enough. For example, if you write "The sword was made from Unobtanium, only found in the depths of the Old World, forged by ancient sorcerers," I'd go, yeah, I'm down with that. I would just make it sound cool and complex and difficult to pull off.

Well, I like to keep it just a tiny bit real, but someone give me the idea of crystals. Which made me think of Lirium, which made me think of No Man sky, and it gives me the logic I sorta was seeking.

Lirium was mana stones from Dragon Age.
No man sky had carbon mines that you could create fuel
And Final fantasy q4 had a whole eco-system with crystal to produce energy (like teleporting etc)

So I could invent a stone composed of a crystal filled with magic but head as Tool Steel, composed of high carbon molecules and dark matter. Which would make it insanely heavy.

And then give it the last ingredient to turn it into a hearthstone.

Gosh, I'm loving this thread!

I suggest you blow it up. Stars go supernova all the time. Also, a type of star known as a White Dwarf is a starkiller -- it eats other stars.

Despite their relentless ability to destroy other stars, white dwarfs do not emit a lot of light -- many emit none at all. They are considered undead. They rip other stars apart, and some of them wear the dead star's 'skin' upon their surface -- these rare, dead skin wearing star killers are dubbed Frankenstein White Dwarfs.

As another interesting fact, White Dwarfs have immense gravitational and magnetic fields -- they are smaller than the Earth but weigh more than our Sun. This is a reason why they shed no light -- their gravitational and magnetic fields are too strong.

So yeah. A White Dwarf. An Undead Star. Super small and super strong. They suck the life from other stars. Some White Dwarfs are called Frankenstein Stars and wear the skin of their dead victims on their surface. These are all true facts.
And they sound like they'd make great fiction. ☀️

ArDeeBurger Wrote: I suggest you blow it up. Stars go supernova all the time. Also, a type of star known as a White Dwarf is a starkiller -- it eats other stars.

Despite their relentless ability to destroy other stars, white dwarfs do not emit a lot of light -- many emit none at all. They are considered undead. They rip other stars apart, and some of them wear the dead star's 'skin' upon their surface -- these rare, dead skin wearing star killers are dubbed Frankenstein White Dwarfs.

As another interesting fact, White Dwarfs have immense gravitational and magnetic fields -- they are smaller than the Earth but weigh more than our Sun. This is a reason why they shed no light -- their gravitational and magnetic fields are too strong.

So yeah. A White Dwarf. An Undead Star. Super small and super strong. They suck the life from other stars. Some White Dwarfs are called Frankenstein Stars and wear the skin of their dead victims on their surface. These are all true facts.
And they sound like they'd make great fiction. ☀️

Your input is truth. A star with the same density could kill the sun.

But in this case, the sun is a person. And I wanted a weapon that really treats her, not kills her (yet).
So the idea of collision doesn't work.

I read an article a while ago that said if you want to kill a sun you should use iron. Most of the largest suns can fuse any element on the periodic table up until iron. And if you could swap out their core with iron, then they would collapse in on themselves (supernova). 

You could probably switch this up and say that iron being stabbed into the person's core would stop the reaction and nullify their powers. And you could call it something like cold iron, which was said to have magical properties throughout history.

But here's the article if you want to read it (I probably did a terrible job paraphrasing it.)

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-kill-the-sun-2015-9

I believe one trillion lions is the standard meme answer. 😏

Especially if they attack at night.  😜

In the space-time we live in, black holes eat stars all the time.  Also, neutron stars are dense enough to shred small ‘regular’ stars.

Actually, two neutron stars colliding make a gamma ray burst that looks a lot like a star-killing Sith double-bladed lightsaber…

https://www.space.com/hubble-space-telescope-neutron-star-collision-jet

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GBScally Wrote: I read an article a while ago that said if you want to kill a sun you should use iron. Most of the largest suns can fuse any element on the periodic table up until iron. And if you could swap out their core with iron, then they would collapse in on themselves (supernova). 

You could probably switch this up and say that iron being stabbed into the person's core would stop the reaction and nullify their powers. And you could call it something like cold iron, which was said to have magical properties throughout history.

But here's the article if you want to read it (I probably did a terrible job paraphrasing it.)

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-kill-the-sun-2015-9

I read a similar article but they didn't spoke about iron. Very interesting!

GBScally Wrote: I read an article a while ago that said if you want to kill a sun you should use iron. Most of the largest suns can fuse any element on the periodic table up until iron. And if you could swap out their core with iron, then they would collapse in on themselves (supernova). 

You could probably switch this up and say that iron being stabbed into the person's core would stop the reaction and nullify their powers. And you could call it something like cold iron, which was said to have magical properties throughout history.

But here's the article if you want to read it (I probably did a terrible job paraphrasing it.)

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-kill-the-sun-2015-9

Really cool and at least ‘physics-inspired’ idea.

I guess the stars could be fae-like in fiction.  

Neat connection.  👍

Youngish Wrote:

GBScally Wrote: I read an article a while ago that said if you want to kill a sun you should use iron. Most of the largest suns can fuse any element on the periodic table up until iron. And if you could swap out their core with iron, then they would collapse in on themselves (supernova). 

You could probably switch this up and say that iron being stabbed into the person's core would stop the reaction and nullify their powers. And you could call it something like cold iron, which was said to have magical properties throughout history.

But here's the article if you want to read it (I probably did a terrible job paraphrasing it.)

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-kill-the-sun-2015-9

Really cool and at least ‘physics-inspired’ idea.

I guess the stars could be fae-like in fiction.  

Neat connection.  👍

The use of Tool Iron (stronger than Iron) mixing with carbon would be realistic to "mine" and efficient to be presented as a threat. 

Iron destroys stars. This is a natural fact. Stellar nuclear fusion stops when a star runs out of enough of the elements lighter than iron to support its weight, and the star either burns out to become a black dwarf, or explodes by going supernova.

In fact, it is by stars going supernova that all elements heavier that iron are created -- which is quite the majority, as iron has an atomic weight of only 55, which is in the bottom 25% of all the elements.

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