Re: Do you guys prefer RR over other writing platforms like Wattpad?

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blackcloverreader Wrote: I tried writing my book on Wattpad but got virtually no views at all whatsoever, (Probably because it has action and a properly thought out system rather than romance based nonsense and isn't a fanfic) so the day I found RR was a huge turning point for me. A lot of aspects about RR appeal to me more than Wattpad as well

RR is by faaaaar the best platform for getting patrons with the best design.

To compare, Webtoon/tapas is absolutely trash, their uploader is horrible and slow.
Building a dedicated/paying audience on there is INCREDIBLY difficult. Wattpad is probably similar problems, I don't see patreon integration button there.
The % of webtoon readers -> patrons conversion is abysmally low, like 0.004% vs RR's 4% conversion rate.

Re: Do you guys prefer RR over other writing platforms like Wattpad?

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Wattpad, well, I never want to go back there again. It's not the site for me and it really isn't that great of a site in general for a writer in my opinion. There is no visibility for a new writer, a search function that is a step below useless, and too hard of a focus on stories that are already popular. The site is living off it's reputation and it seems to be taking steps backwards than actually forward towards improving.

That being said, I don't think royal road is all rainbows and sunshine either. If you actually take a critical look at RR, this place has the most particular audience I've ever seen. Even more so than Wattpad for some reason. Could be because I was about to interact with the community a bit more than Wattpad.

Stories that don't fit into the mold that RR expects, don't do well here. There isn't a lot of variety of stories here because of it. And if you are someone trying to build an audience, posting on a site that has bias against certain story elements and certain kinds of protagonist is unhelpful.

And there maybe other places to go but they are all very small like Fictionate.Me and Neovel that potential of being good platforms because they have an advantage of at least an app and on platform monetization. Though Fictionate.Me app has a lot to be desired, and Neovel is the stronger of the two...well somewhat. The problem with both of them is the reader to writer ratio. Too many writers, not enough readers.

I think if that could change, both could be good platforms. They have to chance to be a place for other writers who are like me, who basically write between a rock and a hard place.

Re: Do you guys prefer RR over other writing platforms like Wattpad?

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I've glanced at wattpad, but there's too much, I'm not even remotely interested in, to wade through to find something I find palatable. I used to read on scribblehub, but I'm not that interested in hardcore porn and I found that pretty much every story that wasn't hardcore porn could be found on Royal Road so I usually stick here. I think you should be posting on every site and source you can and direct people to your patreon though.

Re: Do you guys prefer RR over other writing platforms like Wattpad?

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blackcloverreader Wrote: I tried writing my book on Wattpad but got virtually no views at all whatsoever, (Probably because it has action and a properly thought out system rather than romance based nonsense and isn't a fanfic) so the day I found RR was a huge turning point for me. A lot of aspects about RR appeal to me more than Wattpad as well

It's not just a genre issue with WP,  it's the (deliberately, I suspect) algorithm. The algorithm is actively hostile to new stories and even searching with the right tags won't bring them up. The "new" section is full of promoted money-makers that are old. 

You have to join reading communities and get on their lists. Most experienced WP users don't bother with the search function, they just rely on community bookshelves and contest bookshelves. 

Tl;dr: You have to use WP like a social media site, not a reading site. Do follow-for-follow and read-for-read. You can find those on r/Wattpad. Expand into contests and join communities. Join Discord groups and promote your fic. That's the only way you'll get eyeballs on your work on WP. 

Of course, this is way too much work, so I generally don't bother. I only hang out on 1 Discord server for Dark Fantasy writers because the community is awesome, and I probably won't join anymore. YMMV. 

Edit: Forgot I'm part of another one, but its huge and confusing so I only look at their announcements channel, lol. 

Re: Do you guys prefer RR over other writing platforms like Wattpad?

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From a strictly technical standpoint, Royal Road has the best UI in my opinion. Otherwise, I can't really see myself recommending this site to other writers without a few caveats like what LJ McEachern mentioned. 

I feel like the Wattpad forums had the most varied community in terms of author/reader tastes, which might come as a surprise with how heavily the main site leans on romance stuff. 

Tapas is middle of the road. It has an advantage over Wattpad with scheduled releases and a better functioning search engine. The downsides are that it has a weird 10,000-character (not word) posting limit per chapter and the site as a whole is comically unbalanced when it comes to promoting webcomics vs. novels. I'm starting to suspect that the Tapas company regrets the decision to host web novels there at all.

I personally found FictionPress unusable. It's why I jumped over to Wattpad. The UI is very dated, and I always forget how to navigate my stats and stories. If there is still a functioning community on that site, I did not see it. It looked like a ghost town.

Re: Do you guys prefer RR over other writing platforms like Wattpad?

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Through Novel Updates I miraculously found Scribblehub. It seemed like a goldmine for new novels to read and a place for me to upload my novel when I finished with it. However, the amount of author inserted fetishes and obscene amounts of sex in every chapter quickly turned me away. I nonetheless looked up the ranking and most rated and found some decent novels, all of which redirected me to another website. RR. 

Been here ever since and haven't looked back. Nothing against Scribblehub, but for aspiring authors who don't want to mingle with debauchery and low-grade borderline fanfiction, it seemed the least desired of all the writing platforms.  

Re: Do you guys prefer RR over other writing platforms like Wattpad?

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bokhi Wrote:
blackcloverreader Wrote: I tried writing my book on Wattpad but got virtually no views at all whatsoever, (Probably because it has action and a properly thought out system rather than romance based nonsense and isn't a fanfic) so the day I found RR was a huge turning point for me. A lot of aspects about RR appeal to me more than Wattpad as well

It's not just a genre issue with WP,  it's the (deliberately, I suspect) algorithm. The algorithm is actively hostile to new stories and even searching with the right tags won't bring them up. The "new" section is full of promoted money-makers that are old. 

You have to join reading communities and get on their lists. Most experienced WP users don't bother with the search function, they just rely on community bookshelves and contest bookshelves. 

Tl;dr: You have to use WP like a social media site, not a reading site. Do follow-for-follow and read-for-read. You can find those on r/Wattpad. Expand into contests and join communities. Join Discord groups and promote your fic. That's the only way you'll get eyeballs on your work on WP. 

Of course, this is way too much work, so I generally don't bother. I only hang out on 1 Discord server for Dark Fantasy writers because the community is awesome, and I probably won't join anymore. YMMV. 

Edit: Forgot I'm part of another one, but its huge and confusing so I only look at their announcements channel, lol.

Oh would you mind sharing that Discord through DM? I'm always looking for new ones. It's okay if not though.

Re: Do you guys prefer RR over other writing platforms like Wattpad?

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bulgariansumo Wrote: I personally found FictionPress unusable. [...] The UI is very dated, and I always forget how to navigate my stats and stories. If there is still a functioning community on that site, I did not see it. It looked like a ghost town.
Neither FictionPress nor Fanfiction.net (run by the same people) have had their UI updated since the 00s. I've been uploading to FFN since 2003 and I don't actually remember a change being made to the way fictions are uploaded/managed except maybe the introduction of optional thumbnails for fictions. The UI is... bad.

Like just managing chapters alone... If you need to make a change to a chapter, you have to go into the hosted document on the site to make said change. Then go into the fiction to navigate to the update chapter tab and then from two drop downs select both the chapter you wish to update and the doc you want to replace it with. 😑😒

You are right about FictionPress, for the audience there it's not really worth putting up with the UI. Especially if you're not already used to it. FFN has the audience to make up for it (for some fandoms at least).

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Cinn Wrote: You are right about FictionPress, for the audience there it's not really worth putting up with the UI. Especially if you're not already used to it. FFN has the audience to make up for it (for some fandoms at least).

Yeah, I heard about and used Fanfiction.Net looong before FictionPress despite them being related. It's also easier to find what you want when you're looking for fan fiction, which is probably why it was more popular in the first place. I am a little envious of it, Ao3, and fanfic writers in general because of that, even though I like and respect fan fiction as a medium.

Re: Do you guys prefer RR over other writing platforms like Wattpad?

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Lothaire Wrote: Through Novel Updates I miraculously found Scribblehub. It seemed like a goldmine for new novels to read and a place for me to upload my novel when I finished with it. However, the amount of author inserted fetishes and obscene amounts of sex in every chapter quickly turned me away. I nonetheless looked up the ranking and most rated and found some decent novels, all of which redirected me to another website. RR. 

Been here ever since and haven't looked back. Nothing against Scribblehub, but for aspiring authors who don't want to mingle with debauchery and low-grade borderline fanfiction, it seemed the least desired of all the writing platforms.
I currently post my story here and on Scribblehub. RR has been better by every metric I use. Scribblehub seems even more focused on cultivation/system stories than RR is. I haven't really seen anything outside cultivation/systems/litRPG stuff doing well there other than maybe outright porn. And as much as I love a bit of lewdness in a story I read, the shit on there isn't well written or exciting. A lot of it is outright rape just everywhere. Scribblehub really makes me appreciate RR more than I ever did, even if it still doesn't feel like the perfect place for me. Anything is better than Scribblehub.

Re: Do you guys prefer RR over other writing platforms like Wattpad?

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I’m originally from Wattpad. I use to love it there but now I never want to go back. Large is the way it’s monitised with adds playing on the app version even on your own works. The algorithm is very bad and success on the site is very dependent on writing popular genres and building a follow trough regular updates. I also found I picked up some bad habits such as rushing a character to keep audiences engaged.

RR isn’t perfect but I feel a lot less stressed here. Cause of my slow output it sites me cause I don’t have much to notice. It also has a better discoverability for new novels which I find really neat.

Re: Do you guys prefer RR over other writing platforms like Wattpad?

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i think that you can find 'success' on any old platform
if you're the next tolkien, your book will likely perform
but in terms of building up your skills and having fun
this community is definitely number one

nowhere else can you find so many supportive folks
willing to participate in feedback or some jokes
of course, it's possible to do your best here and not 'win'
but it's the best place for authors' adventures to begin

whether you achieve success, in terms of cash or fame
royal road's a fine place to set out to make your name
i've seen people grow lots here in a super short time
people even welcome authors who just write in rhyme

as for features, royal road gets better every day
there's always a new feature (or bug) that's on the way ;)
it's as user friendly a website as you can find
and in terms of heart, it really is one of a kind

and don't get me started on the mods and admins here
i would like to buy the lot of them a round of beer!
tea of course, should that be more enjoyable to one
we all owe them quite a lot for all the work they've done

i could go on, but i should be writing Hero's Song
and this post is already getting a bit too long
in conclusion, royal road is really freaking great
and it has the most epic authors, there's no debate

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