Re: What's Wrong With Smut?

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Other Wrote: 1. false equivalence. You're comparing public indecency to a contained story that's not as invasive as y
No, just because it's an extreme example and one of them would be illegal doesn't make it a false equivalent. A false equivalent would be, "I get away with ripping people's heads off in the countryside when no one is around all the time, but when I do it around other people they freak out." There is no acceptable time for ripping another person's head off.


Other Wrote: 2. I have personally seen stigma. I am not you, and you are not me. We have seen different things here, lol.
True.


Other Wrote: 3. I understand that there is a time and a place, as I said I won't post any of that on my personal account on this site. I mean that I've seen just general distaste of the genre, outside of this bubble.
I don't have much to say to that other than people just have different tastes. There is also a sizable population of adolescents reading on this site. People tend to react more extremely when they're trying to protect children.

Re: What's Wrong With Smut?

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Yeah, I think the issue is that when people talk about "smut" they don't mean "Story with explicit sex" they mean story that literally introduces our female lead in the first paragraph telling the plumber she can't pay him for his work, cue the bad 1970s porn music and the next ten pages are nothing but fitting tab A into Slot B. 

But there are plenty of stories on RR that do have explicit scenes in them.

Re: What's Wrong With Smut?

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Ain’t nothin’ wrong with smut, fam. I even write some time after time. However, I write it as short as possible. I don’t use it as an excuse to jerk off.

Smut is a niche genre. Unfortunately for those who want to write such things, RR shouldn’t be their preferred choice. Wattpad exists for a reason.

It’s like asking Shōnen Jump to publish hentai manga. One might think it’ll rev up their young audience. In reality, it will alienate so many who want to read everything shōnen. Not to mention that Jump caters to other genres like slice of life, romance, and even harem.

For every video-sharing site, there is a porn site. People generally don’t want either to overlap.

Re: What's Wrong With Smut?

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LambentTyto Wrote: And the thing is, they're in the middle of a big battle over a planet. It's going to start getting in the way. Trust me.
GREAT line, right here! 

As for me, I use allusion and reference, mostly subtleties, even in the whorehouse scenes, few of that variety as they are. The most flagrant scenes all end in a dead guy... the sex was "a distraction"... it worked on two of the three! The third will give em hell to pay. 

Re: What's Wrong With Smut?

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Nudge Wrote: The nature of sex is to enjoy it while it's happening and to be repulsed and filled with self-loathing when you're finished.

What?  I went to a catholic school.
Beautiful! I KNOW that Catholic Manifesto!!! :) 

I still have self-loathing for squeezing Lisa Spangler's buttocks while posing for our 3rd grade class portrait shoot.

She didn't reject me either... imagine figuring your way around that Catholic dilemma! 

Lisa! If you're out there, I'm sorry!!!!

Re: What's Wrong With Smut?

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I think the biggest issue is that smut is mostly outside of the expectation for readers on this site. People mostly come here to experience stories, not to read erotica. So for smut to work, it has to add something to the story (and/or characters). In the vast majority of cases, this just doesn't happen. Most 'smut' is just straight up porn or fan service and doesn't add anything to the story. And if you're not into smut at that moment in time, those chapters function just like filler chapters would. As in: they could have just as well been left out. 

All those arguments about kinks and fetishes also seem weird to me. Because kinks and fetishes are pretty much by definition outside of the norm. The only place people will universally like those, is in places about those kinks and fetishes. So obviously a lot of people won't like those. 

Re: What's Wrong With Smut?

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VladThatGuy Wrote: As for me, I use allusion and reference, mostly subtleties, even in the whorehouse scenes, few of that variety as they are. The most flagrant scenes all end in a dead guy... the sex was "a distraction"... it worked on two of the three! The third will give em hell to pay.
Yeah, I usually draw the curtain, but after 1.4 million words, I'm trying new things out. For instance, I'm also really drawn to fairy tales and the old style oral narratives right now, so I'm planning to write some things in a similar style as well.

Re: What's Wrong With Smut?

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LambentTyto Wrote:
VladThatGuy Wrote: As for me, I use allusion and reference, mostly subtleties, even in the whorehouse scenes, few of that variety as they are. The most flagrant scenes all end in a dead guy... the sex was "a distraction"... it worked on two of the three! The third will give em hell to pay.
Yeah, I usually draw the curtain, but after 1.4 million words, I'm trying new things out. For instance, I'm also really drawn to fairy tales and the old style oral narratives right now, so I'm planning to write some things in a similar style as well.
Yea, the world is your, mine, everyone's oyster. 

I don't have any real opinion about "smut" per se, sure there's a place for it. It's not my vein, but certainly sex as realities of life and characters, yes, indeed, it's there. I restrain the scenes more or less.

I wrote a couple very difficult scenes (for me to write, for sure) in the non-fic I have. Yung gay man, mentally challenged, abused and harrassed and beaten, mocked, the works, and he still tries to find love... turns into sad subjugation. 

True story required some harsh exposure of events in his life. 

Glad to say he emerged, scathed and blistered by life, but emerged and one of the most generous souls that walks the earth! 

But writing his scenes were very difficult for me. (He did five years in prison system, and that was only part of the abusive system he endured).

I can see the space of sex expression in more graphic writing, and not even necessarily as in my instance. Provocative lit has been around forever. Yes, there's a sophisticated audience for that which is well done, and even that which is pure indulgence. 

I believe in exploring one's own art. I'd never advise someone not doing it. :)

Re: What's Wrong With Smut?

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This is one of those ask 100 different people get 110 different answers questions.

Some will say nothing, some will say everything, and others will have so many opinions hey confuse themselves.

It's like asking someone's opinion on politics or religion.

Although this post seems more of a public defense of your writing style.