Re: Linux, mac os or windows, what do you run?

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Paradoxcloud Wrote:
Verlin Wrote: Windows. Didn't know there were other options before I opened this thread. What's Linux exactly?


Linux is an open source project using the gpl2 license meaning that anyone can use it and modify it and even publish those modifications as long as everything remains open source.

Linux has been a niche operating system mainly used for job specific tasks such as creating stable servers (all large servers in the world use linux) or system penetration testing.

Because of the gpl2 licence linux has had many offshoots all with their own ways in which they do things, in some cases these offshoots became so popular that people made offshoots from the offshoots. All these different offshoots as I have been calling them fall under the name ‘linux distributions’ or distros.

Some of these distros have in recent years tried to make the user experience more pleasant for the average consumer and if you’re someone who uses their pc mostly to open emails, write documents and look at videos then linux is good alternative when compared to windows or mac os.

It is not without fault though, because linux distros are maintained by a dedicated but small userbase it still has its problems now and then. Additionally because most software is made for windows you will need to find alternatives, luckily these are not hard to come by. There are also projects that allow one to use windows programs in linux, but they can be a bit clunky at times.

As a final note, linux is free. You don’t have to pay a license to use it and unlike with windows it does not typically come with telemetry (data collection) integrated into the system.

There’s also BSD which you’ll find mostly in high-end router as their operating system, just like linux it’s open source, but it’s a lot less popular and much harder to get into than linux.
So basically Linux is for those super good at coding or those that don't want to pay. It is specialised.


Thanks Paradoxcloud!

Re: Linux, mac os or windows, what do you run?

#22

Verlin Wrote:
Paradoxcloud Wrote:
Verlin Wrote: Windows. Didn't know there were other options before I opened this thread. What's Linux exactly?


Linux is an open source project using the gpl2 license meaning that anyone can use it and modify it and even publish those modifications as long as everything remains open source.

Linux has been a niche operating system mainly used for job specific tasks such as creating stable servers (all large servers in the world use linux) or system penetration testing.

Because of the gpl2 licence linux has had many offshoots all with their own ways in which they do things, in some cases these offshoots became so popular that people made offshoots from the offshoots. All these different offshoots as I have been calling them fall under the name ‘linux distributions’ or distros.

Some of these distros have in recent years tried to make the user experience more pleasant for the average consumer and if you’re someone who uses their pc mostly to open emails, write documents and look at videos then linux is good alternative when compared to windows or mac os.

It is not without fault though, because linux distros are maintained by a dedicated but small userbase it still has its problems now and then. Additionally because most software is made for windows you will need to find alternatives, luckily these are not hard to come by. There are also projects that allow one to use windows programs in linux, but they can be a bit clunky at times.

As a final note, linux is free. You don’t have to pay a license to use it and unlike with windows it does not typically come with telemetry (data collection) integrated into the system.

There’s also BSD which you’ll find mostly in high-end router as their operating system, just like linux it’s open source, but it’s a lot less popular and much harder to get into than linux.
So basically Linux is for those super good at coding or those that don't want to pay. It is specialised.


Thanks Paradoxcloud!


Yes and no, as I mentioned there’s been a shift towards being more accommodating for the average pc user. I won’t say that someone who’s not tech savvy can use it without looking some things up first, but if you’re willing to open a browser and look things up that your confused about then you should be able to set up all the utilties you might otherwise use in windows in a short period of time.

It’s a bit like going from an automatic car to one with a manual gearbox, most aspects stay the same, but you need to take a bit of time learning a new system. Just like with driving you have people who can push their car to their very limits doing manoeuvres that required a lot of time to get down and you have those that get by just fine driving normally.

Also paying seems like a moot point for most people(most home users don’t even pay for a license for windows), going back to the car analogy, if a manufacturer made the car hard to repair then you’ll have those that will out of principal move to the competition, that principle alongside some of Microsoft’s more questionable decisions such as the aforementioned standard telemetry integration has turned off a lot of people from windows.

There’s a lot to things to say about Free (Libre) And Open Source (FOSS and FLOSS) software and the communities based around them, but that’s delving a bit too deep for this conversation.

Re: Linux, mac os or windows, what do you run?

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elenaV Wrote:
Weavervale Wrote: Manjaro all the way baybee!
You mean archlinux on a sloth. 

I swear I am not starting a distro war. Please don't hurt me.


“War be declared.”

No but seriously I ran arch for a while and it was great. I just wanted less fiddly bits, but now I’m thinking of going back. Manjaro is the one that got me to finally quit using windows as my primary OS for over 2 years now. 

Arch though, get one thing wrong.
DrakanThinking
People that think that I’m right, go drop a comment in one of my fics. People that think my competitor is right, comment on theirs.

#fight

Re: Linux, mac os or windows, what do you run?

#25

Paradoxcloud Wrote:
Verlin Wrote:
Paradoxcloud Wrote:
Verlin Wrote: Windows. Didn't know there were other options before I opened this thread. What's Linux exactly?


Linux is an open source project using the gpl2 license meaning that anyone can use it and modify it and even publish those modifications as long as everything remains open source.

Linux has been a niche operating system mainly used for job specific tasks such as creating stable servers (all large servers in the world use linux) or system penetration testing.

Because of the gpl2 licence linux has had many offshoots all with their own ways in which they do things, in some cases these offshoots became so popular that people made offshoots from the offshoots. All these different offshoots as I have been calling them fall under the name ‘linux distributions’ or distros.

Some of these distros have in recent years tried to make the user experience more pleasant for the average consumer and if you’re someone who uses their pc mostly to open emails, write documents and look at videos then linux is good alternative when compared to windows or mac os.

It is not without fault though, because linux distros are maintained by a dedicated but small userbase it still has its problems now and then. Additionally because most software is made for windows you will need to find alternatives, luckily these are not hard to come by. There are also projects that allow one to use windows programs in linux, but they can be a bit clunky at times.

As a final note, linux is free. You don’t have to pay a license to use it and unlike with windows it does not typically come with telemetry (data collection) integrated into the system.

There’s also BSD which you’ll find mostly in high-end router as their operating system, just like linux it’s open source, but it’s a lot less popular and much harder to get into than linux.
So basically Linux is for those super good at coding or those that don't want to pay. It is specialised.


Thanks Paradoxcloud!


Yes and no, as I mentioned there’s been a shift towards being more accommodating for the average pc user. I won’t say that someone who’s not tech savvy can use it without looking some things up first, but if you’re willing to open a browser and look things up that your confused about then you should be able to set up all the utilties you might otherwise use in windows in a short period of time.

It’s a bit like going from an automatic car to one with a manual gearbox, most aspects stay the same, but you need to take a bit of time learning a new system. Just like with driving you have people who can push their car to their very limits doing manoeuvres that required a lot of time to get down and you have those that get by just fine driving normally.

Also paying seems like a moot point for most people(most home users don’t even pay for a license for windows), going back to the car analogy, if a manufacturer made the car hard to repair then you’ll have those that will out of principal move to the competition, that principle alongside some of Microsoft’s more questionable decisions such as the aforementioned standard telemetry integration has turned off a lot of people from windows.

There’s a lot to things to say about Free (Libre) And Open Source (FOSS and FLOSS) software and the communities based around them, but that’s delving a bit too deep for this conversation.
huh.


Thanks!

Re: Linux, mac os or windows, what do you run?

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Specifically I use Fedora for 90% of my life or real work. I use virtualbox on MAC atm because my current work is almost entirely linux or AIX based for the last several years. I have various Pi's throught my house doing things like my sprinklers with open-sprinkler board.

If your using Mac understand that they are running BSD under the hood, so its much less then 1/100000 chance. 

I use windows to run games and discord.  I stopped using Linux to game because one of the games I played would not work on Linux no matter how much I tinkered with Wine.

I wrote most of my first book entirely in VI and Jedit.  Which was a big mistake because there is no grammar checking. 

Currently I use Word with grammarly plugin for writing and Manuskript to keep track of the world/objects/characters/plot-outline.   I'd use libre office to write, but that does not have a grammarly pluggin and the cut and paste was way to slow making corrections via the website.

Re: Linux, mac os or windows, what do you run?

#27
Linux mostly.  I had a windows box, but since EVERY windows update was killing my system I crossed over to linux, same hardware, no random "cannot find your operating system" every three months.  Something odd happened with both my ASUS systems when Windows 10 came out, and it started doing the auto updates with no consumer choice.  I have another windows box now, from a different manufacturer, and it's been OK.

I will say that OpenOffice has been getting more and more flake-y on one of my systems, but I honestly write in the cloud since I write from any of 3 separate computers (and one phone when I lost my internet for a week due to vendor hardware failure in the post) depending on when inspiration/motivation strike me.

Re: Linux, mac os or windows, what do you run?

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Barrent Wrote: ..

If your using Mac understand that they are running BSD under the hood, so its much less then 1/100000 chance. 

..


This may be wrong to assume of me but when I imagine someone who uses macOS I don't think of them going under the hood or using the command line, it's why I mentioned BSD separately, the separation there has more to do with the userbase and apple's enclosed ecosystem than anything else.


gej30 Wrote: I will say that OpenOffice has been getting more and more flake-y on one of my systems, but I honestly write in the cloud since I write from any of 3 separate computers (and one phone when I lost my internet for a week due to vendor hardware failure in the post) depending on when inspiration/motivation strike me.


Why not use LibreOffice, isn't that basically just the more updated successor of OpenOffice?

Re: Linux, mac os or windows, what do you run?

#29
Whatever operating system you work with, there's going to be a learning curve. 
If you started learning computers with a mac, then windows is going to be baffling, confusing, and stupid. 
if you started using computers with windows, linux would appear to be complicated, confusing, and intimidating. 

To me, linux excels at everything except for gaming and support. It's lightweight, efficient, and flexible. 
However, most games are buggy on it and require a lot of adjusting and tweaking, and even then it's iffy. 
Support can be problematic too. If you run into a situation where it's like, "How do I do this?" you'll often run into "Once you've configured [_____] in the usual way, it should work right out of the box." which is contradictory. if it worked right out of the box, why would it need to be configured first? What is "the usual way" to configure [_____]?
...you get the idea. 

Windows excels at gaming. 

Mac excels at being ten years out of date and ridiculously fucking expensive. 

Re: Linux, mac os or windows, what do you run?

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Paradoxcloud Wrote: Why not use LibreOffice, isn't that basically just the more updated successor of OpenOffice?


The core bits that apparently are at issue are shared between the projects, so it didn't change things when I tried it.  Something on that particular system is not playing well with the core, so everything is super laggy.  Other folks have the same issue, but it's rare enough that nobody has figured out what the issue is.  Ultimately, I plan to rebuild the system when 22.04 LTS release comes out in 6 months, and I use the software about 1/month and just tolerate the lag for now... and use other solutions for writing because of my minor computer hoarding problem.

Re: Linux, mac os or windows, what do you run?

#31
Linux. For decades now. 

And to push it a bit further I use Emacs for editing my texts. It's kind of an operations system as well :D

I had windows for gaming early, but there a plenty of interesting games for Linux as well. With the rise of Steam even many normal games can be installed without issues on Linux.

At the moment I'm stuck with Windows at work. It's not much of a problem since I use it mostly to open terminal sessions to my servers and we have a support team to throw the icky parts at. 

Re: Linux, mac os or windows, what do you run?

#32
I use Mac pretty much exclusively. Grew up using Windows, gamed on Windows for a long time, upgraded my dedicated PC to Windows 10, and slowly but surely fell out of love with the operating system. Along with that, and getting older, I stopped gaming, and suffered one too many experiences where programs would crash either due to instability or updates or personal error... And now here I am, using a Mac all the time, glad to not have that trouble. I know it's obviously an unpopular decision here but it's the one that allows me at least to get work done.

I did give Linux mint a while back but it was just too much time/effort to learn and experiment and fill in the gaps with. I sure did spend a year paying for the thing, but I'm quite happy with my mac.