Re: LGBTQIA Stories

#64
I was going to bump once my short story was approved, but you all beat me to it. I can't imagine the mods are so averse to LGBTQ rep on site even pinning a thread to make it easier to find stories there's literally no other way to search for is terrible. I have a hard time understanding why we can't tag it to search or exclude the content , but I can accept it. But this is in the forums. It's not like ignoring is will make us go away. I rather like it here.

Re: LGBTQIA Stories

#65

OwlishIntergalactic Wrote: I was going to bump once my short story was approved, but you all beat me to it. I can't imagine the mods are so averse to LGBTQ rep on site even pinning a thread to make it easier to find stories there's literally no other way to search for is terrible. I have a hard time understanding why we can't tag it to search or exclude the content , but I can accept it. But this is in the forums. It's not like ignoring is will make us go away. I rather like it here.



The official reason I've seen given by admins a few times over the years is that on other sites, the LGBT tags are used primarily for pornography, and they don't want to encourage that on Royal Road. Seeing as the vast majority of the stories on this list do not have much or any sexual content, that one's pretty much disproven now.

The unstated reason, and part of my reasoning for not wanting a tag in the past (I've mostly flipped on the issue) is that such a tag would be pretty deadly to the community in that we have a constant barrage of 0.5 star ratings on openly LGBT stories already; if there were a tag, it'd be like painting a target on the back of a whole genre. However, this list has also shown that the 0.5 bombers are a little less common than they used to be, because it doesn't seem like a ton of stories get bunches of hate ratings just by being on here. I imagine that the admins don't want to do anything to fan the flames of trolls... but that might not be as much of a big deal as it was even a year or two ago.

The only thing I am iffy on is that "exclude" function. There's going to be entire segments of people who just permanently exclude the LGBT tag on every search they ever make, and so they will lose out on countless good stories without even getting a chance to read these books, and possibly be inspired to change their minds on their views. That's probably unavoidable, though. 

One suggestion that might be too much for RR even if they finally relent on the normal tag: What if there were tags for MxM romance, FxF romance, and MxF romance in addition to the normal LGBT+ tag? Then it would be so much easier to group stories based on their content, while not excluding stories that fall outside those three options, and allowing people to use multiple tags if they have multiple romance plots at once. I don't care for the deluge of hundreds of tags on other sites, but I do think these could be really useful for searching.

Re: LGBTQIA Stories

#66
I can get behind that. My thoughts on excluding was that those who would be angry enough to review bomb a story because of LGBTQIA could be the ones who permanently exclude it. It's not like they'd click into a story like mine to begin with as it's clear from the summary it's WLW.

I honestly think tagging relationship type or "None" would help a ton of people find what they are looking for as a few recent threads have made it obvious some people want no romantic plots or subplots at all. It would be the most ideal way, as long as everything else under the queer umbrella had a way to be caught with an LGBTQIA tag.

But I'll settle for this being pinned for now.

Re: LGBTQIA Stories

#67
If we're talking about extra tags, then something other than "gender bender" would be a nice option. I absolutely refuse to use that for characters who are genuinely reality-based trans and transitioned so long ago that it isn't particularly part of the story, among other situations - it's both misleading and vaguely insulting. (It actually sounds to me more like something you'd find on an erotica site.) I do make it clear in the description, but I'm aware that not tagging it keeps some people looking for trans content from finding me.

I have mixed feelings about tagging in general and LGBT tags in particular. Too many tags on a story can get absolutely ridiculous, to say nothing of spoilerific, and where do you draw the line? Do you tag stories for those looking for MCs who are people of colour? As a personal quirk, I'd love to find stories with significant characters who are dealing with chronic disabilities, physical or psychiatric, while doing other stuff, but I doubt that's getting a tag, and I actually agree with that. If you have specific relationship tags, are those just for on-screen romance, or for established relationships that aren't even a subplot, just a fact?

But when it comes down to it, people who refuse to read anything with LGBT content might just as well have a way to exclude it the same way I can avoid anything that says "Harem" (which I will never use for a genuine poly relationship, incidentally, because again, misleading and insulting and more like what you'd get on an erotica site), and the best way to do that would be an all-purpose LGBTQIA tag. They're entitled to preferences, and they're going to just not read anything that makes queer content clear in the description anyway.

I agree, though, that a "Zero sex/romance" tag would probably be helpful for a surprising number of people.

But I'd settle for pinning this thread!

Re: LGBTQIA Stories

#69

Prysmcat Wrote: As a personal quirk, I'd love to find stories with significant characters who are dealing with chronic disabilities, physical or psychiatric, while doing other stuff, but I doubt that's getting a tag, and I actually agree with that.



Me too! It's why I'm writing a story with a character who has Ehlers Danlos like me, another who lives with General Anxiety and panic disorders, and others who have various other mental health concerns from both trauma and physiology. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, now I am going to go and make a recommendations thread for these stories after I make my son lunch. You also kind of make me want to put a bullet list that makes it clear some of these elements are in my story to make it clear to people who are looking for those elements. I agree it doesn't need to be tagged, but I wish it were easier to find them. I want a happy medium between finding characters like me (or my wife who is transgender) and not overloading with odd vanity tags that make searching impossible.

Re: LGBTQIA Stories

#70
I am not sure why you can't upvote suggestions on the feedback platform. I am unable to replicate the issue from my end. Please make sure that you are signed in on the feedback platform first. 
If this is still an ongoing issue, please open a support ticket about it (as a bug report).   peopanic

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Note, I don't lurk in the recommendation forum. And tagging people in the forum (such as @wing) doesn't actually work. The tag only works in comments on fiction pages. Sereminar's support ticket is what caught my attention.  peogiggle



While we are marketing toward specific niches and are unlikely to expand the direction of our genres. 
It looks like you invested quite a bit of your time into this thread. Let's pin it. peogentleman

 Remember that it is being pinned as a recommendation thread, so try to keep it in that direction.  

Re: LGBTQIA Stories

#71

Wing Wrote: I am not sure why you can't upvote suggestions on the feedback platform. I am unable to replicate the issue from my end. Please make sure that you are signed in on the feedback platform first. 
If this is still an ongoing issue, please open a support ticket about it (as a bug report).   peopanic

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Note, I don't lurk in the recommendation forum. And tagging people in the forum (such as @wing) doesn't actually work. The tag only works in comments on fiction pages. Sereminar's support ticket is what caught my attention.  peogiggle



While we are marketing toward specific niches and are unlikely to expand the direction of our genres. 
It looks like you invested quite a bit of your time into this thread. Let's pin it. peogentleman

 Remember that it is being pinned as a recommendation thread, so try to keep it in that direction.  



Thanks so much. It's nice you found a nice middle ground for the lack of an LGBT tag, this helps. :) 

Re: LGBTQIA Stories

#72

Wing Wrote: Note, I don't lurk in the recommendation forum. And tagging people in the forum (such as @wing) doesn't actually work. The tag only works in comments on fiction pages. Sereminar's support ticket is what caught my attention.

You can do this? I didn't realise that... thanks for mentioning it.


And thanks for pinning this thread. Agree with Akata that this seems like a nice way for people to find what they are looking for, even if I don't personally choose my fiction based on the orientation of the characters.

Re: LGBTQIA Stories

#74

msng Wrote:
Wing Wrote: Note, I don't lurk in the recommendation forum. And tagging people in the forum (such as @wing) doesn't actually work. The tag only works in comments on fiction pages. Sereminar's support ticket is what caught my attention.

You can do this? I didn't realise that... thanks for mentioning it.


And thanks for pinning this thread. Agree with Akata that this seems like a nice way for people to find what they are looking for, even if I don't personally choose my fiction based on the orientation of the characters.



Turns out I was wrong. We can't tag people in comments either. 
Sorry for the confusion. 

Re: LGBTQIA Stories

#75
Okay, actually on topic! This is the story that got me into the inaugural anthology for a new small press for an anthology specifically created for fanfiction writers who also write originals. I'm finally at the point in my fiction where I'm ready to post it here as it's a prequel to my current fiction.


Will You Go: A Bite Sized Story of GL in a Dystopian Future

Brenn has never found it easy to follow her heart on Aesir occupied Earth where genetically unmodified humans are kept as second class citizens in the countries they'd called their own two centuries before. Life in the Human Districts is hard and painful, and for members of the Resistance, often short. The only escape is the inaccessible stars.

She knows following her heart means heartbreak for someone. Most likely herself. But when it comes to Rora, the newest resident at her cousin's inn and pub, her heart is far more insistent. Perhaps her heart isn't the only one.

Re: LGBTQIA Stories

#76
I remember reading a very well-written story featuring a transsexual protagonist and other protagonists from the LGBT sphere. Its name is 'The Solstice War'. It's not on royalroad afaik, but I remember thinking the whole LGBT-angle was done really well (this coming from someone who honestly isn't all that partial to that aspect of a story being so central most of the time). Too bad the author put it on hiatus if I remember correctly.

Link: https://unjustdepths.com/the-solstice-war/ 

Edit, guess the thread is purely for RR novels though? If you want me to delete it, just ask.

Re: LGBTQIA Stories

#77

maelos61 Wrote: I remember reading a very well-written story featuring a transsexual protagonist and other protagonists from the LGBT sphere. Its name is 'The Solstice War'. It's not on royalroad afaik, but I remember thinking the whole LGBT-angle was done really well (this coming from someone who honestly isn't all that partial to that aspect of a story being so central most of the time). Too bad the author put it on hiatus if I remember correctly.

Link: https://unjustdepths.com/the-solstice-war/ 

Edit, guess the thread is purely for RR novels though? If you want me to delete it, just ask.

I definitely appreciate the thought, Madiha is a great author and The Solstice War was on RR for a bit, but it's not still up so it won't be going on the list (hard left politics and trans characters not being the most popular on RR 2ish years ago xD). That being said, shes got a new story called Unjust Depths which she's currently working on and I highly recommend. If i ever make a master list of all webnovels with lgbtqia+ characters than both her books are absolutely going on it :p


no need to delete your post though, there's certainly less relevant posts on this thread (i must have had like 4 separate bump posts alone)

Re: LGBTQIA Stories

#79
Hope people here don't mind a bit of self-promo...

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/42771/daybreak-on-hyperion

Daybreak on Hyperion is many genres. But at its core lays a protagonist/viewpoint character who was transplanted into the body of the opposite gender in a fantasy world. It's written as a serious genderbender with a lot of exploration and reflection on gender identity, gender roles, and social expectations/treatment based on gender. The protagonist in question (Kaede) also doesn't adhere to either gender's mentality, and because of this she has complaints about both living as a boy and as a girl.

The story also features several major LGBT characters (including one who is very much in the closet and one who is active hiding their gender dysphoria), as well as an entire society/culture with strong asexual identity.


If you're interested in a story that discusses gender identity as one of its core themes, I welcome you to check it out =)

Re: LGBTQIA Stories

#80

Aorii Wrote: Hope people here don't mind a bit of self-promo...

Huge fan of self promo! The first one on the list is FantasyBliss30 self-promoting  

peoYes

Thanks for the link! If I'm missing any more specific/accurate identities that could be added to the tags don't hesitate to message me. I'm always more than willing to edit entries, tags/typos/blurbs whatever