Re: Why can't authors fully delete chapters?

#1
If a mod or someone else could answer, please do!

This is partially a Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V from the Suggestions/Feedback site.

Normally, when an author 'deletes' a chapter, RoyalRoad simply hides it from readers while the author can still see it in their Contents panel for whichever fiction they write. Even the colour of the chapter turns red! Just leaving deleted chapters sit there is a waste of space and may end up becoming a nuisance.

Why is it that authors can't fully delete chapters?
If it's not feasible, I'd appreciate being told why it won't work out.


Here's the full suggestion if you wanna read:
Hewwo there!!
I've just been wondering if it's possible to fully delete chapters instead of just hiding them from readers?
Normally, when an author 'deletes' a chapter, RoyalRoad simply hides it from readers while the author can still see it in their Contents panel for whichever fiction they write. Even the colour of the chapter turns red! Just leaving deleted chapters sit there is a waste of space and may end up becoming a nuisance.
It'd be fine to keep the current system (like the time of the chapter being released and its position on the Latest Updates to prevent abuse of the system), but if RoyalRoad were to implement a way to choose a further option, after 'deleting' a chapter to permanently erase the chapter from their databases - or even add a literal Trash Bin for chapters, it'd be quite helpful for the authors of RoyalRoad.
If it's not feasible, I'd appreciate being told why it won't work out. I am relatively new here so if there's been a past instance of a suggestion like mine, then I apologise for bringing this up. As of writing, it's just I haven't seen anyone suggest this from earlier on unless it's been removed or suggested a long time ago.
Heck, I'm surprised how this HASN'T been added as a feature... ūü§£ūü§£ūü§£

Thanks for reading!

Re: Why can't author's fully delete chapters?

#2
Because completely removing a chapter messes with the database. In lots of sites like this, when you delete a chapter, it still exists, but you can't see it.

Unlike other sites, however, contacting the admin and owners of RR is easy. People who understand how websites work will delete a chapter and then harass them to restore it. It's less pain to them to simply show it on the author dashboard.

Re: Why can't author's fully delete chapters?

#5
Yeah, I noticed the 'hide all deleted chapters' button yesterday but it kinda nags my mind when I know there are chapters that can't be deleted entirely. I still think it'd be better if the chapters could be permanently erased...

RR won't have to keep redundant chapters on their database as well. Oh well, I do see the merit of just leaving it hidden. Thanks for your responses!

Re: Why can't author's fully delete chapters?

#6
TL;DR: Free site, ad supported, has to optimize for expense, and this is a balance of convenience and putting the work on the responsible party, the deleter.

As an admin of medium size (90G) database, I've had to go restore stuff deleted by mistake.  It's much, much, much harder than not letting people delete.  Especially if they come back significantly later. So, here's the thought process I have on it:
  1. Text is tiny by storage standards.  Text can be compressed/uncompressed easily and quickly.
  2. Disk space is really cheap these days.  
  3. One DVD (9G) of text is around 1.5B words. One Blu-ray (25G) is about 4B words. Modern SSDs come in at 2000G for a few hundred dollars.
  4. Trained personnel are NOT cheap, there's always something to do, and only so much time.  
  5. Self-service time is cheap (for the company).

Re: Why can't author's fully delete chapters?

#7

SJ Wrote:
gej302 Wrote: it could be a setting thing, add a hide/unhide deleted chapters button/checkbox, then admins and authors might be happy?


That already exists.

I have premium, so maybe I see something different, but on my dashboard for specific fictions is a 'hide all deleted chapters' button.



This is awesome!  I was forced to delete a chapter the other day and it was bugging me.  Then I found this post and your solution.  Thank you!

Re: Why can't author's fully delete chapters?

#8
You can certainly 'zero out' the chapter, which will entirely remove your content from the database and replace it with blanks or whatever you zeroed it out with. That is what I plan to do if I have to remove my books and presence from RR.
It's not an elegant solution, but it's sort of how computers have always worked. Even your home PC does it this way even though it is invisible to you, until it gets overwritten by something else. RR's database is simply less subtle about it.

That calls to mind the wonderful song we ops techs used to sing back when we were allowed to abuse the hell out of the brain-dead boomers that constantly called us complaining about how they broke security and downloaded an email virus or touched something they should have left the hell alone and now they wanted us to make it all better.

(sung to the tune of camptown ladies)
Fdisk, Format, Reinstall!
Doo daa, doo daa!
zero out to screw this call!
chill out for today!

Man, we were irreplaceable. We could do whatever we wanted as long as we kept the systems running and people could still put in orders.
We were replaced by people that couldn't write a bubble sort to save their life. That's why the internet sucks so hard... crappy bloatware designed by 'designing programs' instead of real people with real knowledge.

Re: Why can't author's fully delete chapters?

#9



Brian Wrote: Man, we were irreplaceable. We could do whatever we wanted as long as we kept the systems running and people could still put in orders.
We were replaced by people that couldn't write a bubble sort to save their life. That's why the internet sucks so hard... crappy bloatware designed by 'designing programs' instead of real people with real knowledge.


We're at that point of evolution where optimization is less important than aesthetics and UX. People care about how it looks and what it feels like on the client-side more than how optimized it is. Most sorting done nowadays is through libraries that are already optimized or are copied from somewhere. There are still a lot of people with "real knowledge", but there are just too many less experienced people running around because the way we're going with it, we could possibly have half the population of Earth as programmers but it still would be too few. There's just too much demand but too few people that bother to actually learn how stuff works.

Realistically speaking, though, those are taught in undergraduate courses. It's just that it's not used by companies unless they're extremely niche ones like OBG or FSF. Most people who used to know those back when they were studying it end up forgetting because it's just not required of them after they get their diploma.

Re: Why can't author's fully delete chapters?

#10
I accidentally did the equivalent of deleting a chapter - copy pasting a new chapter overtop of the old one and then saving it.

Getting an admin to restore a previous version of that chapter was something I didn't expect was possible and while I did get a old version before edits was a lengthy several day process.

I can't imagine how many "Help, I was scrolling on my phone and accidentally deleted a chapter because my fat thumbs hit the big red delete button" support tickets the admins would receive if you could not restore it yourself.