Re: My Guide On How To Gain Traction On RoyalRoad And How To Potentially Turn Your Writing Into A Career

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Lone Wrote:
Kagan Wrote: Would you mind if I asked a few questions pertaining to the thread topic?


Not at all, go ahead.

Do you know what time is best to publish new chapters? If a lot of the readership is in the US (for example, I don't know?) and you publish a chapter at a time that happens to be in the middle of the night, does that significantly impact how many people see it?

Re: My Guide On How To Gain Traction On RoyalRoad And How To Potentially Turn Your Writing Into A Career

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Not sure if it's ok to add my observations here, let me know if I shouldn't

I'm in Europe and I switched my posting time around a bit as experiment. Early afternoon (2pm) is a no-go, that's early morning in the USA east coast and night still west coast. The number of views I got was less than half of what I got with a chapter release around 6pm. 9pm (3pm east coast) went better, but nowadays I try to have the chapters go out between 10:30 and 11:30 pm. It's still at a time where many Europeans can get to it and it makes the chapter available for midday reading USA. 

It's my experience that people are willing to scroll back quite a bit on the 'recent updates' list, as I got new follows as much as 4 or 5 hours later. The recently updated list is very much for people looking for new stories and they'll skip right past novels with 100-odd chapters to find your chapter 3.

I asked my readers to hold off on reviews and ratings until I got a decent number of chapters in as I felt it would be a better reflection of the story that way. This also had the result of catapulting me up the trending list when I did ask people to let me know the scores they'd give me.

There are a lot of people who will not read anything with under a certain number of pages. They want to have a good sample to read and are waiting to see if an author will continue writing past the opening chapters. Don't get discouraged if your novel doesn't get off the ground right away, these things need time unless you have a really amazing story and let's be honest, that is rarely the case. 

Most of the zero to hero success stories are authors who have a book or two done already and not something you or I will achieve on our first try. Keep in mind that even if it shows '1' in the author's number of fictions, there is nothing stopping them from writing under a different pseudonym for different novels.

Re: My Guide On How To Gain Traction On RoyalRoad And How To Potentially Turn Your Writing Into A Career

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Urikson Wrote: I've seen several people here mention that you can't get into trending without a cover picture. Are there any specific requirements for this cover picture or will any art do?


I'm pretty sure you just need a cover image that has been approved. A catchy cover would probably help you stay in trending longer though, as it would drive more traffic and hopefully more ratings.

Re: My Guide On How To Gain Traction On RoyalRoad And How To Potentially Turn Your Writing Into A Career

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@Zogarth

They’re referring to the paid for advertisement notifications and such that are sold to the occasional author on this site with the implication that such advertisements are a major requisite for popularity equal to writing quality, on top of the implication that writing ability stems from some kind of innate talent instead of practiced skill and the occasional inspiration.

Re: My Guide On How To Gain Traction On RoyalRoad And How To Potentially Turn Your Writing Into A Career

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Endless Wrote: @Zogarth

They’re referring to the paid for advertisement notifications and such that are sold to the occasional author on this site with the implication that such advertisements are a major requisite for popularity equal to writing quality, on top of the implication that writing ability stems from some kind of innate talent instead of practiced skill and the occasional inspiration.
Well... like with everything you need practice to be good at anything. And the only money I ever spend on the side was to get premium and the only thing that gives me is more stats.

Adelmarus
Zogarth Wrote:
Adelmarus Wrote: 1. have talent.

2. have money.

3. seriously have talent.
Not sure why it would require money to get traction...





Quote:To get a premium. When someone see's that pheonix frame, everything you write is good.

Either you are I are missing a joke somewhere here.

Re: My Guide On How To Gain Traction On RoyalRoad And How To Potentially Turn Your Writing Into A Career

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Everyone is always asking how to gain traction and money, but never why they need them
TLDR - Just keep doing what you like. Traction is mostly for people that want to earn quick money, but you might suffer a burnout. Look at trends and do something original.

Writer career sucks as main job. Most of people that aren't popular earn less that people in McDonald getting minimal wage, while paying the same bills. And you will need to save up a lot for retirement. Even some popular authors need to secure a stable source of income. 

Pursuing traction and money is not a good thing. This will put a massive pressure on you, which can lead to burnout and even dropping the writing forever (I have an ex-writer in my family). It's not worth to stack up chapters, write every day, or doing god know what, when you simply want to write. Just set up a patreon and go with your life, money will slowly flow into your pocket.

You will get readers one way or another. That's because people will read your story if it appeals to them. But when you land in trending/hot a lot of people will come, not because it caught their attention, but because it's popular. This can mean that people might read a few chapters and then leave a low score since this isn't what they like.

A lot of people that want to go pro don't realize how little they know. Those fancy-pants strats won't help you if you don't understand why and what readers come to this site, and for what they are willing to pay money for. You need to be skilled enough to attract and keep large audience, which not all writers can have. Ask yourself this: Are you ready to go pro and spent most of your time on research and constant improvement, that might or might not give results?  

There are people who managed to get traction without strating around, and I'm one of them. I've managed to get 200k reads on my first Wattpad story published three years ago. I didn't get reads for first five months even with regular uploads, but I kept going. I've hold on top of datealive and darksouls tags for a year, and inspired a writer that surpassed me and holds pretty well in top places (Just wait until I stop procrastinating, you little lifeless piece of workaholic story dropper. I'LL TEACH YOU HOW TO PROPERLY FORMAT A MALEREADER STORY). But I never cared about getting popular and just kept doing what I loved to

Getting popular is actually piss easy. As long you're not forcing yourself to write popular things, you can pull off bat sh*t crazy numbers. All you need to do is find out what readers like, what are the current trends, and do something original. This doesn't mean that you should become a copycat, find something that surprise and attract readers. Where is demand, there is gold.

Re: My Guide On How To Gain Traction On RoyalRoad And How To Potentially Turn Your Writing Into A Career

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Qwart Wrote: Everyone is always asking how to gain traction, but never why they need traction.
TLDR - Just keep doing what you like, traction is mostly for people that want to earn money

Traction is not always a good thing. You will get readers one way or another, that's because people will read your story if it appeals to them. But when you land in trending/hot a lot of people will come. Not because it caught their attention, but because it's popular. This can mean that people might read a few chapters and then leave a low score, because this isn't what they like.

This might be good for someone who wants to earn money, but why the hell would you bother to do it otherwise? Gaining traction will result in more pressure which leads to burnouts, and might screw your story over. There is no point of stacking chapters and risk a burnout, when you can just write with your own pace while readers will still come. Pursuing attention and recognition is very toxic, and will ruin anyone on the long run.

I've managed to get 200k reads on my first Wattpad story published three years ago. I didn't get reads for first five months even with daily uploads, but I kept going. I've hold on top of datealive and darksouls tags for a year, and inspired a writer that surpassed me and holds pretty well in top places (Just wait until I stop procrastinating, you little lifeless piece of workaholic story dropper. I'LL TEACH YOU HOW TO PROPERLY FORMAT A MALEREADER STORY). But I never cared about getting popular and just kept doing what I loved to
Fair points just, in case you didn't read the title of this thread, it is specifically about how to turn your writing into a career, haha.

Re: My Guide On How To Gain Traction On RoyalRoad And How To Potentially Turn Your Writing Into A Career

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Lone Wrote: Fair points just, in case you didn't read the title of this thread, it is specifically about how to turn your writing into a career, haha.
My bad. I wrote about traction and went to make a dinner, then completely forgot to write about the carer part. I already edited the post, but it's pretty late and I probably got few things wrong.