Defiance of the Fall

Have you ever read a book or watched a show you know is objectively bad, but you can't stop? A guilty pleasure? My parents watch Wynona Earp while talking about how awful it is, some people hide away their Twilight books they hope no one finds, and I keep reading Defiance of the Fall.

One can definitely enjoy this. The litrpg aspect is interesting and sucks you in. But the writing itself? Not so much. Let's not even touch on the characters or plot and their (many) problems. Instead, let's only talk about the prose and writing style. There are a LOT of literary crutches used. If you make a drinking game out of every time you see the words "truly" or "true" alone you'll be dead in one chapter. Other words and phrases used a ridiculous amount: Sighed/sighing, couldn't help but/could only, arduously, his heart, hesitantly, old monster... The list goes on.

The worst part? This issue has been brought up. Repeatedly. It's known and extremely easy to fix. All it takes is ctrl + f at the end of a chapter and editing it out. Or even having someone else edit each chapter. But these crutches all still show up a half a dozen or more times a chapter (each!) almost 400 chapters in. So it seems like the writing is never going to change regardless of how many people bring it up.

If you need a litrpg fix and have run out of stuff to read? By all means, you'll enjoy at least some of the time spent on this. But it's objectively not great due to some glaring and easy to fix issues.

Update: this story pretty quickly becomes your standard "Dao of Luck" xanxia fare, with the MC stumbling into treasures and powering up from near death experiences (that should have killed him). You better believe there's a settlement that he wants to protect at all costs and his motivations for becoming stronger are "because I need to". Biggest bummer is his fighting style devolves into "I hit the other guy harder, so I won". I'm still reading, obviously, but I'm definitely less enthused, and my earlier review may create unrealistic expectations.

I really like this story. Here are some bullet points of the things I like about it.

•  Survival- The MC is lost in the woods during a system apocalypse. Always like when a character needs to survive and acclimate to dangerous surroundings, both when it's happening and in the future when the MC gets compared to other people. That seems a long way off, though.
• Realistic Knowledge- Related to above, this story actually has an MC who doesn't know how to immediately game the system. There are a lot of functions of the system that he doesn't know, and even more that he doesn't know he doesn't know, simply because he missed the tutorial. Rarely, you'll see him do something and say, "what an idiot that's clearly not the optimal choice", but all his choices are rational given the amount of information he has. He's super ignorant of what's going on, but using context clues to help himself rather than an deep knowledge of "What to Do when the System Arrives for Dummies".
• System- Its a cool system, fairly background, and kind of sentient. He doesn't immediately get skills and upgrades, it's honestly him surviving as a (albiet super strong) human.
• Struggle- The power creep is good, he struggles for a while, figures out ways to overcome those struggles, and then new stuff pops up to struggle against. Not in the "he'll never see or get hurt by level one mobs" way some xianxia stories do, more like they're there but no longer as much of a threat due to training.
• Plot- Seems like there's some depth to the plot, he's got semi-manditory quests to complete and that may take awhile, day to day survival offset with hints of all the other pieces of the multiverse.
• Realistic Knowledge- The MC is doing fairly well for himself considering, but is by no means a Mary Sue. He's bled for every step forward he's taken. He doesn't immediately know bush craft or how to make armor or anything, it's refreshing to see someone struggle this long. He actually may be at a disadvantage compared to other humans, but is finding a different path to strength, helped in part cuz everyone else is stuck in the tutorial whilst he suffers. He uses his limited resources pretty well, spear stake traps and such.
• Human Emotions- The character actually seems to have to deal with the fact he's stuck alone in the woods forced to fight for his life, rather than just being a mannequin devoid of human emotions. I stress, it really sucks for him almost constantly for the first 30 chapters, but that makes it better IMO cuz there's actually stress when he gets in fights. He actually behaves and feels and thinks in a way that a guy stranded alone might.
• Consistency- All the system stuff is real consistent. The way skills and classes and items work all make sense in this universe.
• Enemies- The monsters are pretty cool

Those are some of the things I like about the story, so far I only have a couple minor negative things to mention

• Lucky- his initial luck in the system, literally a rigged dice roll he shouldn't have won, but that's over and done with by chapter 2 and the plots gotta happen somehow. There really wouldn't be another way to make the same general character and story in a more believable, less lucky manner.
• Town Building I just generally don't like settlement/town management stories, it's nowhere close to getting to that point yet but it seems like a mechanic that's gonna pop up eventually. That's just something I personally don't want to see happen in any story, and it's barely present so far in this one, I just like to whine.

*Edit: new complaints added here as the story continues*

• Overly Expositional its a kind of take the good with the bad situation, and as much as I like reading about a guy figuring out a System, we gotta read through his every thought process for what the system is an does. Sometimes there are multiple paragraphs in row of him just thinking through what he knows, doesn't know or assumes about the new world's physics.
• Overly Introspective - similar to above and also a kind of "too much of a good thing", but the MC will also think through about 4-5 actions he wont do before every action he does do. It just kind of drags the story down at times, I don't really care why he decides not to buy 4 different things if he ends up getting something else, ya know? To me this writing feels like a defense mechanism to shield the writer from RRL comments.
• Weirdly Competent MCs getting real good at murdering demons with an axe/throwing knives for a guy with a pretty hands off system, real quick.

All in all a very well done survival litrpg, with some wuxia elements blended in.

This novel suffers heavily from a lack of planning.

It definitely feels like TheFirstDefier started out with an interesting premise and just kept writing from there. 

Things constantly keep escalating and because of that the characters, their characterization, and the world building start to fall by the wayside.

All of this along with the xianxia trappings of cultivation and conflict reminds me of the author I Eat Tomatoes.

For example: things like the coins having grades could've easily been introduced at the start of the story, instead they're only mentioned when Zac becomes insanely rich so that money can still be a driving factor for conflict.

There've been hints at a larger story surrounding Zac and his sister and their place in the universe, but 300 chapters in its still too early to say.

Each new arc introduces many characters that are, in the moment, interesting but rarely matter going forward. The result of this is a very large cast with relatively little characterization.

In one of the recent chapters Zac joked about Emily being a mascot for Port Atwood. Funny, but I had actually forgotten that character was even a part of the story to begin with. I had to go back and reread to jog my memory because she's been such a non-factor.

The power structure, a mix of cultivation and system rpg, is another aspect of the story that feels a little slipshod. The RPG system starts out understandable but becomes bloated over time with the addition of percentage bonuses and bonuses that apply to the effective value of the stat. Zac being mortal and not a cultivator is only really relevant for the first arc of the story. Now he's cycling energy, forming cores, and exploring the Dao with the best of them. Speaking of, it's probably my own bias but opening nodes in the body being more difficult than grasping fundamental truths of the universe just doesn't feel right.

All that said I still think it's a good novel.

The amount that TheFirstDefier puts out is really commendable. It also gives context as to why some of these issues popped up. 
Overall I think that once this is finished and we know where we're going a good editing pass would easily smooth out these issues and make this go from good to great.

TLDR; Do you like IET? Then this'll do ya just fine.

The story really hasn't progressed far enough to rate the characters but from what I've seen it seems like they're gonna be somewhat better than in the average rrl story.

Other than that, the story is a pretty basic New World/Ghosthound style deal. Everyone gets a system and is teleported to a tutorial while the earth gets fucked up by monster hordes and stuff. Everyone except for the protagonist of course, he doesn't get a tutorial (lol).

Other than that I am fairly impressed by how the story is relatively gritty (and sometimes defies logic, like how the guy used the same hatchet for over a month swinging it with superhuman strength against monsters that are definitely tougher than your average tree, considering they can break them apart by running into them... without breaking the hatchet) the protagonist is powerful, but at least so far he is not overpowered (he has the promise of becoming overpowered later tho if he plays his cards right). He has to survive by the skin of his teeth, he'd die on a daily basis if he didn't have the system giving him a 'sleep and your fatal injuries will be healed' trope. The author basically hands the protagonist everything he needs on a silver platter like in most stories like these, what he has not done however is give him anything more than what he needs, he's given him exactly the bare minimum and nothing more and I like that. It's pretty decently written too so you can feel the protagonists struggle as he suffers for not getting to do the tutorial like everyone else.

Unlike him however, we do get a tutorial, we get all the basic RPG stats eplained to us as if everybody doesn't already know it and the story is chock full of wordy explanations about the most mundane things. This was my gripe with the story, the pacing feels like it's snailing along because sometimes entire chapters are devoted to just seemingly meaningless exposition. Hell the last chapter I read (37) was one such chapter (edit: and 38 was the same. And 39.). Literally nothing happens in the entire chapter.

This kind of stuff is a huge pet peeve of mine, when authors do too much exposition, spend too much time on explaining or detailing things that don't really warrant that much text.

Good writing is a balancing act between colorful wording and effective pacing, this author leans a bit too heavily on the former for my tastes. The only reason the story even progressed anywhere for the past 30 chapters is because the author at some point went 'fuck it' and did a month's time skip. (Thankfully, or we would have had chapter upon chapter of the protagonist doing the exact same thing)

Like others have said I share the opinion that this story has potential, it's too early to tell if it's worse or better than the works it seems inspired by, but I'm worried it will never be finished with this focus on overly detailed explanations.

I would advise the author to show more, and tell less. Not everything needs to be explained in full detail, let the readers imagination work out most of the things and focus on what's important to the main plot progression instead. If you look at some great artists (like say wlop for an excellent example) if you look closely at their artwork you will find that sometimes up to  80% or so of their pictures may end up being just blobs, anything that isn't the main focus/character of the picture is only vaguely defined. And it works, your brain will fill in these details when you look at the picture as a whole, but zoom in on it and all you'll see are blobs.

With the decreasing attention spans of humanity as a whole in our current society, it's vital for writers to adopt a similar strategy in their writing to keep the attention of readers.

Update: Now I'm at chapter 278.

Characters are, in line with my original impression, decent. They're better than in most stories in that they have actual personalities of their own, even if it's mostly template personalities, at least they're not full blown template characters. I should warn you though that if you're into good characters, you probably won't like this story because 90% of it is just focused on the protagonist. Other characters get defined personalities, but they don't get much further fleshed out than that, you won't be finding many tragic backstories or any character development in this story. There's a few interesting characters spread around in the novel, and you might actually be able to feel invested in some characters (hopefully at least the protagonist), but I doubt you'll be singing the author praises for good characters. Suffice it to say that he makes characters that work for the story, rather than a story that works for the characters. The story is centered around the protagonist mostly, other characters are in the end mostly just extras, so far most of the story is still the protagonist going solo, not that I dislike that at all, but it is what it is.

What I do dislike however is that unlike my original impression of the story being similar to new world and randidly ghosthound is that this is actually a xianxia story, I can see the tag is there now but I don't think it was when I started reading; what I do like however is that it's much better organized than any xianxia I've ever seen, namely that the power scaling of everyone is rather properly defined here thanks to the litrpg system, e.g. we pretty much know at all times where the protagonist stands on the global scale of power. Maybe not how powerful he is compared to others on the same scale, but just which scale he's on (i.e. the ratings of A, B, C, D, E and F essentially, and of course the levels). Everyone can be a bit of a wild card since their final power output depends heavily on their class and equipment and their 'daos' (a thing I really dislike in this story, the 'daos' create an undefined power scaling system within a decently defined one, tsk tsk.), but it's usually a fairly safe bet that a rank D warrior will not be able to defeat a rank C one with exceptions (exceptions like plot shields and overpowered daos!)

On that note, now that the story has progressed a bit, the protagonist is now overpowered, but only overpowered within his power scaling category (I don't remember what it was but I mean it's pretty down there like E or something) if you want specific, here's a lil spoiler:

As another review said, this story suffers a bit from lack of planning, but I somehow always end up coming back to it, I first dropped it at ch 36 or so, but then came back to it a good long while later when it had 100+ chapters. Then I had enough of this stupidity but eventually came back when it had 200+ chapters, now I'm coming back to it again when it has 300+ chapters.

The faults of the story being as they may, I have to give the author credit where credit is due. I have never on this site seen another author that's as consistent in his publishing rates as this one. I've seen it on other sites mind you, the chinese mass produced trash wuxia/xianxia novels in particular over on sites like webnovel.com do have this, it's just that they're always trash with absolutely no pacing, this story is similar I suppose (xianxia right?), but orders of magnitude better, has actual pacing (even if slow) and the plot is actively developing (even if slowly). So kudos for that!

I stand by my original ratings for the story, although I always end up dropping it at some point because of either pacing issues at some stretch of chapters, or some stupid things going on, I always come back to it fresh and mildly excited to keep reading it months later, which means there's some kind of rare quality to this story, because there aren't many stories I come back to after dropping 'em, and yet for this one it's happened 3 times.

(Update, now at ch 376; pacing issues have gotten worse, not enough happened in the last 100 chapters, dropped style score by half star for how ridiculously reduced the pacing has now become, but as I said earlier, the bad pacing is largely mitigated by the consistently fast chapter release rate, so the real major downside to this really is the amount of filler text, or like I said in the original review, this author should really show more and tell less, rather than listening to my advice however, he seems to have gone the opposite direction, telling more and showing less, sometimes having entire exposition dump chapters just to explain things that were already thoroughly explained in earlier exposition dumps (chapter 375 for instance))

So you know what? Go ahead and read it, it's no masterpiece, you will probably enjoy some of it and get frustrated at some of it, but it is at least so far somewhat worth your time, especially if you can't find anything else good to read. It has a few decent plot twists, and passably good worldbuilding too, I doubt you'll be head over heels for the story but I also doubt you'll hate it, unless you're super picky.

EDIT: A kind reader has pointed out that some of my nitpicks and issues I had with the story have been fixed. When I wrote this review, the story was around chapter 35. With over 100 chapters now the story is different then when I reviewed in the beginning. I'll give the story another read in the future and I'll update my review to accurately reflect how I feel about the story then.

The story had a good start despite it being somewhat of a cliche. Apocolptic-litrpg where the MC is off on his own trying to survive in this new dark and gritty world. The author blended a few elements of eastern fantasy books with western litrpg and it came out pretty well. I did enjoy the story a lot, which is why I'm more disappointed as I got my hopes up. The story started to take a dive in quality when the MC made poor judgements and out of character decisions and the author started to handwave details too big to ignore. The problems I had with the story are pretty spoilery, so I wouldn't recommend clicking it if you're a new reader.

 There's a bunch of minor issues that just keep piling up and it's hard not to be nitpicky about it when they're so glaring. It's not allowed me to fully enjoy the story and after writing this review has soured my taste for this story even more. I rated this story as a 3.5/5 stars, but as I wrote this review and looked more indepth in the issues I had with it, lowered it to 3/5. I imagine many users on this site can overlook these problems and rate it 4-5 stars easily. I would recommend this story to readers very familiar with royal road, but I wouldn't recommend this to anyone who mainly reads published books.

One of the stories that has nearly nothing special but cannot hold yourself to not to read. A classic world survival story with mediocre at everything. But hey I really like mediocre stories far more than stories that have its ups and downs. Definetily worth to read if you have nothing important to do.

Overall it's decent for what it is, a cultivation story with a system. But it could use some work and a good polish. But i don’t think that will happen, the author reminds me of Chinese Wuxia authors. He is making a very long story with many plots and paths it can take, while keeping the tension high to keep people reading.

 I honestly won’t go into detail because other people have already pointed out everything I would put down. 

 If you like a decent story about a body cultivator who has to suffer to get stronger, this story is for you. Otherwise, maybe pass it up.

• The novel isn't really that good... but it's good for novel that consistently posts new chapters almost every day (every day but Sunday).

Characters sometimes feel empty and chapters are sometimes noticeably vert undescriptive, which is understandable because of the sheer amount the author is writing every single day.

The plot eventually developed to be 'a dead horse on steroids' as someone once wrote in the comments, which I found to be oddly fitting...

I would only recommend this to someone who wants to consistently read something evry day that isn't complete... completely bad... I'm sadly one of those people... I tried to quit... and I'm still trying...

I'm giving this 5 stars just because I understand how hard it would be to write so much in a short amount of time...

Edit: I was actually able to stop reading this after writing this review for some reason. Maybe forming my final opinion on this novel was the push I needed to finally stop this madness... and maybe compensating with other novels had something to do with it too lol. I think  I'm finally gonna unfollow this!

This is one of those stories you wish could read longer, but you know must end.

The author balances gaining power to be overwhelming without going so far that you're worried they will just become a living God prancing through the world.

Power brings consequences for both MC and the rest of the characters.

Strong main plot with many mysterious side plots. Hints at them just enough that you keep it in mind.

Doesn't flood characters with skills where you see them only use it once then shunted into the chart of skills.

Describes world enough that you know what's around them, but focuses on the characters more.

I recommend binging this.  You'll be thirsty for more and refreshing page over and over on release days

This story exhibits all the "standard" flaws of this generic type of story which would be called forgivable in most versions of it:

- the protagonist is a mary sue to the absolute maximum, with the plot straight up handing him everything with no effort 80% of the time: sure, cool. Typical, to the point it's treated as a joke and lampshaded with a "luck" stat.

- The stats and other litrpg elements are utterly superfluous and in many cases just outright lie to the reader instead of providing information (e.g. a character with a lower strength is notably stronger than one with higher in direct tests), many states appear to do nothing, etc. Ok, fine, a litrpg that would be substantially improved by just... not being litrpg, see also 90% of this website.

- The physics of the universe are ill defined, and casually violated whenever they'd result in the MC losing, causing the time and effort of the reader spent learning them to be insultingly wasted: pushing it now, but still typical of this kind of novel.

Standard so far, fairly forgivable? Sure. But the reason we forgive these kinds of stories for those kinds of things is that they're dramatic, action-packed thrill rides where something is always happening. Energy always maintained, whether it's a fight breaking out, family drama, angst, shiny loot being revealed, whatever.

In this story... nothing happens. Like, I don't mean nothing "of significance" I mean actually nothing. The author composes somewhere between three sentences and three short paragraphs of characters taking actions or events occurring, then hides them randomly in five god damned full length posts per week, the rest of the text so completely devoid of actual content that calling it filler is an insult to filler.

We've seen two thousand word posts where the event promised by the title is as much of a non-event as Zac reading a text box... and he hasn't read the one-sentence text box by the end of the chapter. Just stood in place and thought vaguely about how theoretically interesting it would be if he clicked the mouse once to press the button his cursor is already hovering over.

We're not reading a cultivation novel. We're not even reading about a boring accountant doing a spreadsheet. We're reading about a lazy accountant trying to consider starting a spreadsheet that won't even be useful when completed... and never actually entering any data in 80% of chapters.

So all of the bad parts of the genre, with the twist that it also doesn't have the one thing the genre usually does well. Skip.